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jeff(at)westcottpress.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: Another Alternative Engine?

http://www.flyjeta.com/tech.htm



What say you engine experts?

carl.froehlich(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: Another Alternative Engine?

Two problems:

- Price (>$80K)

- French



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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject: Another Alternative Engine?

AGGGHHHHAAAAAAA!!!!

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Rick S.

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Location: Las Vegas

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject: Another Alternative Engine?

Double AAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHAAA!!!!!!

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rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:07 am Post subject: Another Alternative Engine?

I don't consider myself an expert - well not in this

field anyway, but when I first started looking at the

-10 it was obvious to me that the SMA230 would be

eminently suitable.  I contacted both the local agent

and SMA in France to be told two things.  Firstly they

were only interested in supplying complete FWF kits

which only they would install and secondly they were

developing a higher powered version which eventually

would be suitable for us (higher powered being

350+hp).  That left me wondering about their marketing

and also their ability to read (when did 260hp max =

350hp?)



My take is that they are not interested in any way in

the experimental market.  Since then I have heard that

they are still having prop problems due to unevenness

in the cycle - can't remember the source but it was

printed.



I regretfully will be installing some form of

Lycosaurus which it's ravenous appetite and dislike

for hot starting.



If it's not too early, received first card 1 month

ago, Merry Christmas to all,



Rodger

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:49 am Post subject: Another Alternative Engine?

Hi Rodger,

I had thought of the SMA too, but hearing of the troubles

they had and the high cost turned me off as well.



For what it's worth, I've found that at least with the

Lightspeed ignition on one side, Hot Start issues are

a myth, once you learn how to do them.  I had a couple

of starts go bad early on, but now I can get it started

right away both hot or cold, and it's an injected

engine.  So don't let hot starts scare you away.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

Rodger Todd wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 I don't consider myself an expert - well not in this

 field anyway, but when I first started looking at the

 -10 it was obvious to me that the SMA230 would be

 eminently suitable.  I contacted both the local agent

 and SMA in France to be told two things.  Firstly they

 were only interested in supplying complete FWF kits

 which only they would install and secondly they were

 developing a higher powered version which eventually

 would be suitable for us (higher powered being

 350+hp).  That left me wondering about their marketing

 and also their ability to read (when did 260hp max =

 350hp?)

 

 My take is that they are not interested in any way in

 the experimental market.  Since then I have heard that

 they are still having prop problems due to unevenness

 in the cycle - can't remember the source but it was

 printed.

 

 I regretfully will be installing some form of

 Lycosaurus which it's ravenous appetite and dislike

 for hot starting.

 

 If it's not too early, received first card 1 month

 ago, Merry Christmas to all,

 

 Rodger

 --- Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com> wrote:

 

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> <jeff(at)westcottpress.com>

>

> http://www.flyjeta.com/tech.htm

>

> What say you engine experts?

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mritter509(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 6:27 am Post subject: Another Alternative Engine?

Rodger,



I have the same setup on my Lyc. IO-540 (Aero Sport engine) as Tim 

(Lightspeed and Mag) and agree hot starts are a non-issue.



Mark (N410MR)





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		  From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Another Alternative Engine?

Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 07:47:38 -0600






Hi Rodger,

I had thought of the SMA too, but hearing of the troubles

they had and the high cost turned me off as well.



For what it's worth, I've found that at least with the

Lightspeed ignition on one side, Hot Start issues are

a myth, once you learn how to do them.  I had a couple

of starts go bad early on, but now I can get it started

right away both hot or cold, and it's an injected

engine.  So don't let hot starts scare you away.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

do not archive

Rodger Todd wrote:

>

>

>I don't consider myself an expert - well not in this

>field anyway, but when I first started looking at the

>-10 it was obvious to me that the SMA230 would be

>eminently suitable.  I contacted both the local agent

>and SMA in France to be told two things.  Firstly they

>were only interested in supplying complete FWF kits

>which only they would install and secondly they were

>developing a higher powered version which eventually

>would be suitable for us (higher powered being

>350+hp).  That left me wondering about their marketing

>and also their ability to read (when did 260hp max =

>350hp?)

>

>My take is that they are not interested in any way in

>the experimental market.  Since then I have heard that

>they are still having prop problems due to unevenness

>in the cycle - can't remember the source but it was

>printed.

>

>I regretfully will be installing some form of

>Lycosaurus which it's ravenous appetite and dislike

>for hot starting.

>

>If it's not too early, received first card 1 month

>ago, Merry Christmas to all,

>

>Rodger

>--- Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com> wrote:

>

>>

>><jeff(at)westcottpress.com>

>>

>>http://www.flyjeta.com/tech.htm

>>

>>What say you engine experts?

>>

>>

>>Click on

>>about

>>provided

>>www.buildersbooks.com

>>Admin.

>>

>>browse

>>Subscriptions page,

>>FAQ,

>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>___________________________________________________________ All new Yahoo! 

>Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - 

>PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

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>






	


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seipel(at)seznam.cz
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 6:41 am Post subject: Another Alternative Engine?

SMA has been around for a long time.  I looked at them when I was 

considering DeltaHawk and others.  They will not sell to the 

experimental market.  Only way you're going to get an engine from them, 

at least in the next five to ten years, is if you bring them a Cessna 

182 and get it retrofitted for $80K.  Their entire focus is on the 

certified GA market.



PJ

RV-10 #40032



Jeff Carpenter wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 http://www.flyjeta.com/tech.htm



 What say you engine experts?

rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:08 am Post subject: Another Alternative Engine?

Thanks to both Mark and Tim for the thumbs up on hot

starts.



Tim knows that I live in an area where hot starts are

an everyday necessity and I'm glad to hear that this

is one less worry.



Rodger



--- Mark Ritter <mritter509(at)msn.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <mritter509(at)msn.com>

 

 Rodger,

 

 I have the same setup on my Lyc. IO-540 (Aero Sport

 engine) as Tim 

 (Lightspeed and Mag) and agree hot starts are a

 non-issue.

 

 Mark (N410MR)

 

 

 

 

 >From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

 >Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 >To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 >Subject: Re: Another Alternative Engine?

 >Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 07:47:38 -0600

 >

 >

 <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

 >

 >Hi Rodger,

 >I had thought of the SMA too, but hearing of the

 troubles

 >they had and the high cost turned me off as well.

 >

 >For what it's worth, I've found that at least with

 the

 >Lightspeed ignition on one side, Hot Start issues

 are

 >a myth, once you learn how to do them.  I had a

 couple

 >of starts go bad early on, but now I can get it

 started

 >right away both hot or cold, and it's an injected

 >engine.  So don't let hot starts scare you away.

 >

 >Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

 >do not archive

 >

 >

 >Rodger Todd wrote:

 >>

 <rj_todd(at)yahoo.co.uk>

 >>

 >>I don't consider myself an expert - well not in

 this

 >>field anyway, but when I first started looking at

 the

 >>-10 it was obvious to me that the SMA230 would be

 >>eminently suitable.  I contacted both the local

 agent

 >>and SMA in France to be told two things.  Firstly

 they

 >>were only interested in supplying complete FWF

 kits

 >>which only they would install and secondly they

 were

 >>developing a higher powered version which

 eventually

 >>would be suitable for us (higher powered being

 >>350+hp).  That left me wondering about their

 marketing

 >>and also their ability to read (when did 260hp max

 =

 >>350hp?)

 >>

 >>My take is that they are not interested in any way

 in

 >>the experimental market.  Since then I have heard

 that

 >>they are still having prop problems due to

 unevenness

 >>in the cycle - can't remember the source but it

 was

 >>printed.

 >>

 >>I regretfully will be installing some form of

 >>Lycosaurus which it's ravenous appetite and

 dislike

 >>for hot starting.

 >>

 >>If it's not too early, received first card 1 month

 >>ago, Merry Christmas to all,

 >>

 >>Rodger

 >>--- Jeff Carpenter <jeff(at)westcottpress.com> wrote:

 >>

 >>>

 >>><jeff(at)westcottpress.com>

 >>>

 >>>http://www.flyjeta.com/tech.htm

 >>>

 >>>What say you engine experts?

 >>>

 >>>

 >>>Click on

 >>>about

 >>>provided

 >>>www.buildersbooks.com

 >>>Admin.

 >>>

 >>>browse

 >>>Subscriptions page,

 >>>FAQ,

 >>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

 >>>

 >>>

 >>>

 >>>

 >>>

 >>

 >>

 >>

 >>

 >>

 >>



>___________________________________________________________

 All new Yahoo! 

 >>Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its

 simplicity and ease of use." - 

 >>PC Magazine

 http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

 >>

 >>

 >>

 >>

 >

 >

 >

 >

 



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jesse(at)itecusa.org
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: Another Alternative Engine?

I guess ravenous appetite could be debated as well.  Yes, you can burn 26gph

at sea level running rich on take-off, but you can also cruise burning 7gph

with TAS upwards of 150Kts, or 13.5gph at 176Kts.  That seems to me to be

pretty economical.



Another issue on hot starts is there is a fuel injection system that has a

purge valve so you can pull a lever, run the boost pump, and flush the hot

fuel out of the system.  With 2 mags hot start takes a little longer, but it

isn't a big deal IMHO.  A Slick Start helps with this also, although they

have stopped selling it, but I hear they are coming out with a new version

sometime early next year.



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

W: 352-465-4545

C: 352-427-0285



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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: Another Alternative Engine?

 	  carl.froehlich(at)cox.net wrote: 	
		  Two problems:

- Price (>$80K)

- French



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I don't mind the French, but it's pretty heavy as well.

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