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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:37 pm Post subject: Bending skin edges after dimpling

I have the Cleaveland edge bending tool.  It does a very nice job.  

However, I dimpled the trailing edge of my elevator before putting the 

slight bend the trailing edge.  Has anyone else tried using this tool to 

bend an edge after dimpling?  Any tips?



I quickly figured out that the tool probably works best before any 

dimpling but I had already done the dimpling before learning this.



Bill Watson - tailcone assembled, elevators almost ready to rivet, 

finally priming tomorrow.

LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject: Bending skin edges after dimpling

In a message dated 12/10/2006 4:39:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,  MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com writes:

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		  I    dimpled the trailing edge of my elevator before putting the 

slight bend    the trailing edge. 	


 

     If you doubt the quality of the dimple  after adding the bend, simply drop a rivet in the hole and see if it will sit  flush. If not, dimple it again, much easier  before assembly.  It you  try to hit a rivet a little harder later to make it site flush, you will dent  the skin just forward of the aluminum wedge piece on the trailing edge.   Ask me how i know!  

  

 Steve   

 

Stephen  Blank              #40499     Building the elevator trim tabs. ( i know... very  slow progress.. the kit is easy, i am slow.)

  

 766 SE River Lane

Port St. Lucie, FL 34983



772-475-5556 cell -  evenings and weekends

  

 do not archive



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jeff(at)westcottpress.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject: Bending skin edges after dimpling

Hi Bill,



I've done my edge bending with a hand seamer both before and after  

dimpling.  Either way, I start at the end with the edge of the tool  

gripping half way in to 3-4 rivet holes and make a slight bend, then  

move the tool down, overlapping one hole as I make my way down the  

skin.  This method has worked well for me, and I see no difference  

between the edges bent before dimpling and those bent after.  I'm  

very happy with the result.



Jeff Carpenter

40304

On Dec 10, 2006, at 1:36 PM, MauleDriver wrote:



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 I have the Cleaveland edge bending tool.  It does a very nice job.   

 However, I dimpled the trailing edge of my elevator before putting  

 the slight bend the trailing edge.  Has anyone else tried using  

 this tool to bend an edge after dimpling?  Any tips?



 I quickly figured out that the tool probably works best before any  

 dimpling but I had already done the dimpling before learning this.



 Bill Watson - tailcone assembled, elevators almost ready to rivet,  

 finally priming tomorrow.

mike(at)cleavelandtool.co
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject: Bending skin edges after dimpling

Don't use the our edge rolling tool after the dimpling!  You will end up making a bend that is tight in between dimples and almost non existant at the dimple.  Furthermore it will roll out or flatten the dimples and you will have to re-dimple the row.  Redimpling will tend to stretch the material slightly.  If I were in your position I would try and find a finger break big enough to fit it in and bend it slightly that way (plumbing shop?).  Our tool works great for this area if you remember to use it  

  

 Mike

 

-- 

Mike Lauritsen

Cleaveland Aircraft Tool

515-432-6794

www.cleavelandtool.com 

 

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On Dec 10, 2006, at 1:36 PM, MauleDriver wrote:



[quote] --> RV10-List message posted by: MauleDriver < MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)>



 I have the Cleaveland edge bending tool.  It does a very nice job.

 However, I dimpled the trailing edge of my elevator before putting 

 the slight bend the trailing edge.  Has anyone else tried using

 this tool to bend an edge after dimpling?  Any tips?



 I quickly figured out that the tool probably works best before any

 dimpling but I had already done the dimpling before learning this.  [quote][b]

sstella(at)incisaledge.co
Guest

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:34 pm Post subject: Bending skin edges after dimpling

Here’s an idea I just thought of to protect the dimples already made. Take a piece of hardwood or aluminum stock and you can either match drill and countersink them to line up with dimples or you could just run a groove the width of the dimples and clamp onto that. I haven’t tried it before but it was just a thought.  

Steve  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Lauritsen - Work

 Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:59 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Bending skin edges after dimpling  

Don't use the our edge rolling tool after the dimpling!  You will end up making a bend that is tight in between dimples and almost non existant at the dimple.  Furthermore it will roll out or flatten the dimples and you will have to re-dimple the row.  Redimpling will tend to stretch the material slightly.  If I were in your position I would try and find a finger break big enough to fit it in and bend it slightly that way (plumbing shop?).  Our tool works great for this area if you remember to use it    

Mike  

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 Mike Lauritsen

 Cleaveland Aircraft Tool

 515-432-6794

 www.cleavelandtool.com 

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 On Dec 10, 2006, at 1:36 PM, MauleDriver wrote:

 > --> RV10-List message posted by: MauleDriver < MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com (MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com)>

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 > I have the Cleaveland edge bending tool.  It does a very nice job.

 > However, I dimpled the trailing edge of my elevator before putting 

 > the slight bend the trailing edge.  Has anyone else tried using

 > this tool to bend an edge after dimpling?  Any tips?

 >

 > I quickly figured out that the tool probably works best before any

 > dimpling but I had already done the dimpling before learning this.    	  Quote: 	
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DAVELEIKAM(at)wi.rr.com
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:03 pm Post subject: Bending skin edges after dimpling

I also dimpled my elevator trailing edge before  making the bend by mistake.  I used my edge bending roller to make the bend  but opened the gap between the rollers to just clear the dimples.  I was  able to get enough bend to satisfy me and my edges turned out fine.

  

 Dave Leikam

 40496

 tailcone riveting

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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:25 am Post subject: Bending skin edges after dimpling

Thanks Mike but I did it already (see other post).  We'll see if the 

streching will get me when I rivet.   I will try to avoid that in the 

future by bending before dimpling.



However, not sure what you mean here, "I would try and find a finger 

break big enough to fit it in and bend it slightly that way (plumbing 

shop?)". 



Bill "Priming today" Watson



Mike Lauritsen - Work wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Don't use the our edge rolling tool after the dimpling!  You will end 

 up making a bend that is tight in between dimples and almost non 

 existant at the dimple.  Furthermore it will roll out or flatten the 

 dimples and you will have to re-dimple the row.  Redimpling will tend 

 to stretch the material slightly.  If I were in your position I would 

 try and find a finger break big enough to fit it in and bend it 

 slightly that way (plumbing shop?).  Our tool works great for this 

 area if you remember to use it 

  

 Mike

 -- 

 Mike Lauritsen

 Cleaveland Aircraft Tool

 515-432-6794

 www.cleavelandtool.com <http://www.cleavelandtool.com>

  

     On Dec 10, 2006, at 1:36 PM, MauleDriver wrote:



     > 

     MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com <mailto:MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com>>

     >

     > I have the Cleaveland edge bending tool.  It does a very nice job.

     > However, I dimpled the trailing edge of my elevator before putting

     > the slight bend the trailing edge.  Has anyone else tried using

     > this tool to bend an edge after dimpling?  Any tips?

     >

     > I quickly figured out that the tool probably works best before any

     > dimpling but I had already done the dimpling before learning this.



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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: Bending skin edges after dimpling

I went ahead and used the tool.  It worked OK once adjusted for a 

minimal bend and minimal crushing of the dimples.  Rivets would not fit 

however so I re-dimpled (thanks Steve).  I hope by going gently on all 

counts I'll get a good result.  The key is to avoid having to do this in 

the first place.



Bill



LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   In a message dated 12/10/2006 4:39:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, 

 MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com writes:



     I dimpled the trailing edge of my elevator before putting the

     slight bend the trailing edge. 



     If you doubt the quality of the dimple after adding the bend, 

 simply drop a rivet in the hole and see if it will sit flush. If not, 

 dimple it again, much easier  before assembly.  It you try to hit a 

 rivet a little harder later to make it site flush, you will dent the 

 skin just forward of the aluminum wedge piece on the trailing edge.  

 Ask me how i know! 

  

 Steve

  



 Stephen Blank             #40499     Building the elevator trim tabs. 

 ( i know... very slow progress.. the kit is easy, i am slow.)

  

 766 SE River Lane

 Port St. Lucie, FL 34983



 772-475-5556 cell - evenings and weekends

  

 do not archive

 *

 *

wreining(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:45 pm Post subject: Bending skin edges after dimpling

I also dimpled our elevator edges before bending.  Even though I already owned the Cleveland tool, I could see that it would ride over the dimples.  So I ordered Avery’s tool (the two little white nylon wheels) and used it.  I was a little worried about how it would turn out, but just gathered my courage and carefully drew it along the edge, forming just the slightest bend between the dimples and the edge.  It all went together very nicely.  Thanks Avery!  Someone ought to have Van’s put a note in the elevator instructions about bending before dimpling.  

   

Bill Reining (with my son Jon)  

40514   

Tail Cone – interrupted by household move  

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Rick S.

Joined: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 347
Location: Las Vegas

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 6:42 am Post subject: Bending skin edges after dimpling

FWIW,



The Orndoff videos went over working with sheetmetal very well, that's where I heard/learned about doing the bend before dimpling. Bending works well anytime you have overlapping seams. The hardest part is to REMEMBER to bend before you dimple. I have used a hand seamer on a few areas where that has happened. For those who ponied up to go to one of the classes they should have addressed that in those classes as well.



Rick S.

40185

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