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owl40188(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:40 am Post subject: Baggage Door Hinge

I was going to rivet the Baggage Door Hinge Frame to the Side Skins this weekend and noticed that once I do this it will be difficult to install the door and get the door hinge wire in place.  It looks like on my installation once the door is installed one can't pull out the hinge wire.  In fact I need to install the door hinge wire and door prior to riveting the door hinge frame.  Is this typicall to what other builders experienced?

  

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Niko 

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flysrv10(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:57 am Post subject: Baggage Door Hinge

This is also my experience.  I tried to offset the hinge so that I can remove it in the future.  I have not tired it and doubt that my offset is enough.

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On Nov 6, 2006, at 9:40 AM, Nikolaos Napoli wrote:

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I was going to rivet the Baggage Door Hinge Frame to the Side Skins this weekend and noticed that once I do this it will be difficult to install the door and get the door hinge wire in place.  It looks like on my installation once the door is installed one can't pull out the hinge wire.  In fact I need to install the door hinge wire and door prior to riveting the door hinge frame.  Is this typicall to what other builders experienced?

 

thanks 



Niko

40188



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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:02 am Post subject: Baggage Door Hinge

The design and the plans have it so the top of the hinge sticks out just a little bit so you can pull the pin from the top.  It is all sits flush, you will have a very hard time removing the pin, which is what you are saying, I think.  You might want to check the plans and make sure you didn’t misread the way you were supposed to install it.  

     

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I was going to rivet the Baggage Door Hinge Frame to the Side Skins this weekend and noticed that once I do this it will be difficult to install the door and get the door hinge wire in place.  It looks like on my installation once the door is installed one can't pull out the hinge wire.  In fact I need to install the door hinge wire and door prior to riveting the door hinge frame.  Is this typicall to what other builders experienced?  

    

   

    

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Rick S.

Joined: 12 Feb 2006
Posts: 347
Location: Las Vegas

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:56 am Post subject: Baggage Door Hinge

Niko,



Don't know if my first response went through, Ditto for me, I had to keep the pin in the hinge to install the door but my install is pretty clean with nice, small rounded openings top and bottom. I followed the directions to a TEE so I'm not sure why we are different than others. If in the future I need to remove the door I'll have to open the top enough to remove the hinge pin. I'm not worried about wear so much and I polished the hinge parts prior to installing. I never planned to paint the hinge because of paint peeling/chipping I have seen on other hinges.



Rick S.

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owl40188(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:47 am Post subject: Baggage Door Hinge

Jesse and Rob thanks yor your replies

  

 It looked like I would have an easier time inserting the pin from the bottom rather than the top, however, obviously this would not be acceptable as the pin could fall out during flight.  My hinge does stick out just a slight bit but it sticks out about the same amount top and bottom.  I didn't see anything in the manual talking about this.  Well I can always cut the hinge if I need to take it out.  Maybe a light thinning of the diameter and some lubricating oil would get it in/out.  

  

 Thanks

 

 

Niko 

40188 



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rickgray(at)roadrunner.co
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: Baggage Door Hinge

OK....here's 2 options that I came  up with that will allow EASY removal of the door with NO RISK of scratching the  paint on the airplane:

  

 1-install the cabin side of the  hinge with platenuts....when/if you need to remove the door you simply remove  the platenut screws and the door comes off WITH BOTH SIDES of the  hinge....savvy??

  

 2-drill a 3/32 hole in the longeron  ABOVE the hinge pin. Make the pin longer than it needs to be and you can easily  remove the pin from INSIDE the airplane. The small portion of the pin inside can  be 'dressed up', hidden, or covered by the headliner...your  choice.....savvy??

  

 Either option above allows you to  recess the hinge more than the plans....read: your hinge is NOT hangin' out in  the breeze. Again...NO CHANCE of scratching airplane paint.

  

 I chose option 2 and am very  pleased with the result.

  

 No charge for this one  :^).

  

 Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm -  too many projects to list - RV10 nearing completion

 http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/

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flysrv10(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:33 am Post subject: Baggage Door Hinge

Savvy indeed!

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 Rob Kermanj



 



On Nov 6, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Rick Gray wrote:

[quote]OK....here's 2 options that I came up with that will allow EASY removal of the door with NO RISK of scratching the paint on the airplane:

 

1-install the cabin side of the hinge with platenuts....when/if you need to remove the door you simply remove the platenut screws and the door comes off WITH BOTH SIDES of the hinge....savvy??

 

2-drill a 3/32 hole in the longeron ABOVE the hinge pin. Make the pin longer than it needs to be and you can easily remove the pin from INSIDE the airplane. The small portion of the pin inside can be 'dressed up', hidden, or covered by the headliner...your choice.....savvy??

 

Either option above allows you to recess the hinge more than the plans....read: your hinge is NOT hangin' out in the breeze. Again...NO CHANCE of scratching airplane paint.

 

I chose option 2 and am very pleased with the result.

 

No charge for this one :^).

 

Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm - too many projects to list - RV10 nearing completion

http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/

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owl40188(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject: Baggage Door Hinge

Rick

  

 Those are good ideas.  I will try #1.

  

  

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 Thanks again for all the responses.

 

 

Niko 

40182 



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owl40188(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:16 am Post subject: Baggage Door Hinge

Well I looked at method number 1 this morning and I don't think its such a good idea.  The hole would have to be riding the radius of the longeron.  Thats not such a good thing.  I think I will use methond #2.  Its also possible to remove the door and use method 2 later on by simply drilling out the rivets (door frame to hinge) 

 

Niko 40188



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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:38 am Post subject: Baggage Door Hinge

Niko. I wasn't as smart as Rick, and didn't think of his options. I 

found out that I had a clearance issue after I recessed the hinge more 

than the plans allowed for. I ended up removing some of the fuse skin in 

the fwd upper corner sufficient to allow for pin insertion and removal 

when the door is open. As you will see from the pic in the link, it 

leaves a small gap, that I will close by pro-sealing a piece of ,032 to 

the top corner of the baggage door, so that when it's closed, the gap 

will close also.



http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2034%20Baggage%20Door/slides/DSC02782.html



Deems Davis # 406

Finishing - ( A Misnomer ! )

http://deemsrv10.com/



Nikolaos Napoli wrote:



[quote] Well I looked at method number 1 this morning and I don't think its 

 such a good idea.  The hole would have to be riding the radius of the 

 longeron.  Thats not such a good thing.  I think I will use methond 

 #2.  Its also possible to remove the door and use method 2 later on by 

 simply drilling out the rivets (door frame to hinge) 

  

 Niko

 40188



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owl40188(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:03 am Post subject: Baggage Door Hinge

This morning I drilled out the rivets holding the hinge to the frame and replaced them with number 6 nutplates and screws.  It worked very well.  The two things I did is not to fully countersink the hinge for the head of the screws as its not very thick and its not necessary as there is some clearance when the door is closed.  Second I left out the nutplate in the middle of the frame as it inteferes with the longeron.  The longeron could be trimmed slightly at this location and the nutplate added if one deems this necessary as it ends at this location i.e. there can't be any load in it.  Overall it took 2 hrs.  Another item that makes is relatively fast is that since the nutplate holes are considerably larger than the existing #3 rivet holes drilling out the rivets goes considerably faster as one does not have to be as carefull.

 

 

Niko 

40188 



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dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 455
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:28 am Post subject: Baggage Door Hinge

Niko,I would love to see some photos, if possible.



David Maib

40559



On Nov 9, 2006, at 9:02 AM, Nikolaos Napoli wrote:



This morning I drilled out the rivets holding the hinge to the frame and replaced them with number 6 nutplates and screws.  It worked very well.  The two things I did is not to fully countersink the hinge for the head of the screws as its not very thick and its not necessary as there is some clearance when the door is closed.  Second I left out the nutplate in the middle of the frame as it inteferes with the longeron.  The longeron could be trimmed slightly at this location and the nutplate added if one deems this necessary as it ends at this location i.e. there can't be any load in it.  Overall it took 2 hrs.  Another item that makes is relatively fast is that since the nutplate holes are considerably larger than the existing #3 rivet holes drilling out the rivets goes considerably faster as one does not have to be as carefull. 



Niko

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rickgray(at)roadrunner.co
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: Baggage Door Hinge

Hey Niko....GREAT JOB!! Now you'll  be able to remove the door for paint or any 'other' reason without scratching  any paint :^).

  

 I'll also mention that if you were  to slightly elongate the holes (vertically) in the cabin side of the hinge  you'll be able to 'adjust' the fit of your door now that you have the nutplates.  Many doors are hanging a little low....this gives you an option to put the door  where you want it and take out any error that may have occurred when drilling  the initial holes..... not that we make errors :^).

  

 Glad this worked out for you and  thanks for reporting back!

  

 For the archives

  

 Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo  Farm

 http://rv6rick.tripod.com/ohiovalleyrvators/

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owl40188(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:48 am Post subject: Baggage Door Hinge

David,

  

 I will take some pictures tonight and send them.

  

 Do not archive

  

 Niko

 40188

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owl40188(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:34 am Post subject: Baggage Door Hinge

Well ,  here are the pictures.  I am really happy with the way this came out.  Its a worthwhile mod.

  

 Niko

 40188

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dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 4:54 pm Post subject: Baggage Door Hinge

Thanks Niko. That really looks good. I plan to do the same thing. Great job!

David

40559



On Nov 10, 2006, at 9:34 AM, Niko wrote:

Well ,  here are the pictures.  I am really happy with the way this came out.  Its a worthwhile mod.

  

 Niko

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