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 Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:16 pm Post subject: Control positioning during ground handling |
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At 04:41 PM 8/1/2006, you wrote:
>--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Ralph Hoover" <flht99reh(at)Columbus.rr.com (flht99reh(at)Columbus.rr.com)>
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>Forward stick, all the way, back stick, all the way....absolutely
>amazes me that both can possibly work. This single piece of
>discussion exceeds any piece of work that I have read (and I have
>read each and every one from the beginning). How can that be possible?
Depends on the weather - we always - and I mean "always" check the
weather (safety first).
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APilot(at)webtv.net
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:45 am Post subject: Control positioning during ground handling |
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Why did Homer put the hoop under the nose cone? Don't know, but I sure
do like it. It prevents my nose from hitting when I spin it around by
holding one brake and full rudder in case I add too much throttle.
Also, it lets me do a full throttle run up which my Geo needs in the
winter time to warm up. The nose skid and full brakes will hold it at
full power which then lets me set the prop pitch to 6000 rpm for best
power climb. I can adjust the pitch during the takeoff roll, but that
requires extra attention.
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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:30 am Post subject: Control positioning during ground handling |
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full stick forward while taxiing up wind or0 at the start of the takeoff roll, >>
Hi Rick
certainly don`t agree with the first part,stick0 back holds the tail down but stick forward when you open the throttle seems0 pretty obvious. As soon as the propwash hits the elevator the tail is up, just a0 matter of feet, and you have full control.
I have seen somewhere that the STOL technique is0 stick right back, full throttle, and it wiill fly itself off. Presumably you0 have to get the stick forward a bit smartish when you lift off or you will be0 just hanging on the prop.
Does anybody actually takeoff that way. John? you0 must have had to get out out of some tight spots. How is it done?
Cheers
Pat
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ul15rhb(at)juno.com
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:48 am Post subject: Control positioning during ground handling |
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full stick forward while taxiing up wind or0 at the start of the takeoff roll, >>
Hi Rick
certainly don`t agree with the first part,stick0 back holds the tail down but stick forward when you open the throttle seems0 pretty obvious. As soon as the propwash hits the elevator the tail is up, just a0 matter of feet, and you have full control.
I have seen somewhere that the STOL technique is0 stick right back, full throttle, and it wiill fly itself off. Presumably you0 have to get the stick forward a bit smartish when you lift off or you will be0 just hanging on the prop.
Does anybody actually takeoff that way. John? you0 must have had to get out out of some tight spots. How is it done?
Cheers
Pat
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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:00 am Post subject: Control positioning during ground handling |
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On my MkIII I recently tried my old "pop off" technique that worked so
impressively with my old Aeronca. (11AC had a higher stance than a
Champ and a 74-43 metal climb prop) It would suddenly jump off
at a steep angle. Stick full back from the beginning of the roll.
Very short, 200-300 ft ground run.
When using the same method, the Kolb just wants to stay stuck on the0
ground.
It actually extends the roll and feels unhappy doing it. Now I
relax the stick and coax it off.
I'm sure with longer legs things would be different.
Maybe I'll give that one notch takeoff a try today.
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On 6, Aug 2006, at 7:28 AM, pat ladd wrote:
| Quote: | full stick forward while taxiing up wind or at the start of the0
takeoff roll, >>
Hi Rick
certainly don`t agree with the first part,stick back holds the tail0
down but stick forward when you open the throttle seems pretty0
obvious. As soon as the propwash hits the elevator the tail is up,0
just a matter of feet, and you have full control.
I have seen somewhere that the STOL technique is stick right back,0
full throttle, and it wiill fly itself off. Presumably you have to get0
the stick forward a bit smartish when you lift off or you will be just0
hanging on the prop.
Does anybody actually takeoff that way. John? you must have had to get0
out out of some tight spots. How is it done?
Cheers
Pat
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APilot(at)webtv.net
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:11 am Post subject: Control positioning during ground handling |
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When I use to fly my PA-11 and the wind was down the runway, I use to
add power and forward stick. As soon as the tail came up, it was ready
to fly. If the wind was from the side, I would hold the stick back to
put pressure on the tail wheel until the rudder would hold it straight.
I think that my Mk IIIC will be the same, but have yet to build enough
confidence to do crosswind practice. Vic in Sacramento
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wcm(at)tampabay.rr.com
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:53 am Post subject: Control positioning during ground handling |
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You know, one the easiest things in aviation has to be handling a Kolb on
take off because you really don't have to do much more than use the rudder
to keep it in the middle of the strip.
Kolbs (God bless em) do it for you, you push forward a little to much and it
may do a nose stand for you, you pull back and it just extends the take off
roll but if you just hold the stick loosely (figure of speech) in the
neutral position and lo and behold, the tail comes up exactly when it is
supposed to and a gentle back pressure sends you skyward. For me this method
works in all situations even in stout cross winds.
You really don't have to "over fly" a Kolb and you don't have to second
guess it.
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John Hauck
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Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)
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| Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 6:11 am Post subject: Control positioning during ground handling |
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| but if you just hold the stick loosely (figure of speech) in the
| neutral position and lo and behold, the tail comes up exactly when
it is
| supposed to and a gentle back pressure sends you skyward. For me
this method
| works in all situations even in stout cross winds.
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| You really don't have to "over fly" a Kolb and you don't have to
second
| guess it.
Hi Chris M:
That's the way I have been doing it for years. Let the Kolb fly with
a little input to let it know what and where you want to go.
john h
mkIII
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