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alan.twigg775(at)gmail.co
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:43 am Post subject: Permit to test

I got an early Christmas present from LAA HQ, my permit to test has been issued.

Just need flying conditions.

Alan Twigg

Kit 463 Long Wings

G-GIWT

Completed



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stevenwpitt(at)me.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:59 am Post subject: Permit to test

Delighted for you.

I know it has been a longgggggggg saga for you so lets hope for clear skies and a successful launch.

Kind regards

Steve

G-SMDH



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		   On 24 Dec 2020, at 10:42, Alan Twigg <alan.twigg775(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 I got an early Christmas present from LAA HQ, my permit to test has been issued.

 Just need flying conditions.

 Alan Twigg

 Kit 463 Long Wings

 G-GIWT

 Completed

 

 Sent from my iPhone

IanCook_1(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 3:34 am Post subject: Permit to test

At long last Alan, I hope all goes well on the Test flight and look forward to having a get together in 2021, unbelievable we started way back in 2003!!!  Do have a good Christmas and stay Safe.



Best Wishes



Ian



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Duncan McFadyean

Joined: 18 Jan 2011
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 5:40 am Post subject: Permit to test

Today was good!



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		   On 24 December 2020 at 10:42 Alan Twigg <alan.twigg775(at)gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 I got an early Christmas present from LAA HQ, my permit to test has been issued.

 Just need flying conditions.

 Alan Twigg

 Kit 463 Long Wings

 G-GIWT

 Completed

 

 Sent from my iPhone

budyerly@msn.com

Joined: 05 Oct 2019
Posts: 286
Location: Florida USA

Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 6:40 am Post subject: Permit to test

Alan,

Congratulations on a job well done.

The birth of an airplane, stirs many emotions.  Relief, joy, anticipation, doubt, and pride.



What makes an airplane meet all your expectations is attention to detail, confidence in your ground testing and your flight preparation.



Best Regards,

Bud Yerly

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wdaniell.longport(at)gmai
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Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2020 12:33 pm Post subject: Permit to test

congratulations - the best Christmas present!



On Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 05:45 Alan Twigg <alan.twigg775(at)gmail.com (alan.twigg775(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



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 I got an early Christmas present from LAA HQ, my permit to test has been issued.

 Just need flying conditions.

 Alan Twigg

 Kit 463 Long Wings

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rparigoris

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Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Permit to test

Hi Alan Congratulations! Curious, why small wheels on wingtips? Ron P.

alan.twigg775(at)gmail.co
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Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:55 pm Post subject: Permit to test

Ron, No wheels on wingtips yet, only fixed outriggers.

I am thinking of fitting some wingtip wheels, to allow retraction of the outriggers thus reducing drag, but not for now.



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		   On 27 Dec 2020, at 23:48, rparigoris <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hi Alan Congratulations! Curious, why small wheels on wingtips? Ron P.

 

 

 

 

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 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=499838#499838

rparigoris

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Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: Permit to test

Hi Alan Thank you for reply, I saw a pic and assumed it was your bird. Ian is the pic your bird? If yes, why the small wheels on wingtips? Ron P.

alan.twigg775(at)gmail.co
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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:14 am Post subject: Permit to test

Ian and I are both glider pilots and go for min drag, both Ian and I went for a wheel at the spar extension but he being ahead of me discovered that, with the outrigger retracted, the aileron drags on the ground. Ian has used a wingtip wheel from a Ventus glider, mounted further aft.

Alan 



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		   On 28 Dec 2020, at 22:08, rparigoris <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hi Alan Thank you for reply, I saw a pic and assumed it was your bird. Ian is the pic your bird? If yes, why the small wheels on wingtips? Ron P.

 

 

 

 

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rparigoris

Joined: 24 Nov 2009
Posts: 792

Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:23 am Post subject: Re: Permit to test

Hi Alan Does Ian retract outriggers manually and use a wing runner to launch? What's estimated performance increase retracted? Thx. Ron P.

alan.twigg775(at)gmail.co
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Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 10:53 pm Post subject: Permit to test

Ian does use a wing runner with retracted outriggers, I am uncertain of performance increase, I will ask him.

Ian also flies an Argus, self launching glider with wingtip wheels, I used to fly such an aircraft, wingtip runners is the norm.

Regards to all for the new year.

Alan



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		   On 29 Dec 2020, at 18:23, rparigoris <rparigor(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 Hi Alan Does Ian retract outriggers manually and use a wing runner to launch? What's estimated performance increase retracted? Thx. Ron P.

 

 

 

 

 Read this topic online here:

 

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=499878#499878

IanCook_1(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2020 2:52 am Post subject: Permit to test

Hi,

    I have used a wing tip holder (a person) with the O/Rs removed when operating from grass (as per a normal glider), however on hard surfaces, although there is still not much clearance between the ground and the down going aileron, I used the wing tip wheel and the wing lifts straight away, as the A/C accelerates quickly, much sooner than on my Arcus M self-launching glider with its limited power to weight ratio.  I have done quite a lot of gliding but have not measured the performance gained with the O/R wheels removed. With prop feathered, U/C retracted, O/Rs and tip wheels fitted at 55 knots IAS the glide is about 22.8:1, rate of sink 240 ft/m. There is a rapid increase in sink below 52 knots, so although it will fly down to the 42 knots (stall) the min sink just increases, so there is no point in flying too slowly unless the thermal is good with a very small core. The main concern while gliding is to total lack of visibility, when flying from the left-hand seat, into a right hand turn due to the mounting bar for the cockpit doors.  If anybody knows of a bubble canopy installation on a Europa, I would be very interested?  Still days in the UK are very rare, my ASI and PE errors were within a few knots, but the figures are as observed and not been corrected for ISA standards. The cowling radiator hole need blocking up and all the leaks around the main U/C wheel and wing fairings need sorting as well as working wing tips rather than what Don did just to reduce to wing bending moment. It would then get to the advertised 25:1 or better?



Regards



Ian Cook



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