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Is anyone out there sorry they got a yaw damper for their Garmin autopilot? I survived without for a long time but I'm considering one now. If there are comments, pro or con, I'd like to hear them.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:15 pm Post subject: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
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Why are you considering it now? Just curious. So you feel you need one? I’m still building but put one in...
| Quote: | On Sep 17, 2019, at 7:57 PM, David Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Is anyone out there sorry they got a yaw damper for their Garmin autopilot? I survived without for a long time but I'm considering one now. If there are comments, pro or con, I'd like to hear them.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:35 pm Post subject: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
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I’m looking to add one too..... But it appears TruTrak is no longer making them? I need call around and get the real story.
Ideally I’m looking to run the YD independent of the AP so I can keep it on while hand flying around too.
I’ve had a sick little girl in the back seat a couple too many times. Hopefully I can find a way to make it easier on her and keep her experience from going down the tubes before she gets much older.
| Quote: | On Sep 17, 2019, at 10:13 PM, Charles Derk <cderk(at)icloud.com> wrote:
Why are you considering it now? Just curious. So you feel you need one? I’m still building but put one in...
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Dave Saylor
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| Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:16 pm Post subject: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
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We're switching to a G3X. That's another thread but since it would include the AP, I'm considering the yaw damp option as well. The Garmin mounting solution looks pretty easy, even as a retrofit, so it's now or never. Just wondering if anyone has a great reason to add it, or not.
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Why are you considering it now? Just curious. So you feel you need one? I’m still building but put one in...
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Dave Saylor
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| Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:23 pm Post subject: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
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Best of luck with your little one! That's no fun at all.
do not archive
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:38 PM Phillip Perry <philperry9(at)gmail.com (philperry9(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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I’m looking to add one too..... But it appears TruTrak is no longer making them?  I need call around and get the real story.Â
Ideally I’m looking to run the YD independent of the AP so I can keep it on while hand flying around too.
I’ve had a sick little girl in the back seat a couple too many times.  Hopefully I can find a way to make it easier on her and keep her experience from going down the tubes before she gets much older.
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Kelly McMullen
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| Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:28 pm Post subject: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
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I can't comment on the Garmin product. I chose to retrofit a yaw damper to
my Dynon autopilot. Definitely nice to let Otto keep the ball centered.
The mount would be a little easier to install before the tailcone is closed
up. There was a discussion awhile back about using Van's mounting and seems
like you could either use Dynon or Vans part instead of Garmin for some
money saving. Search archives circa summer/fall of 2017, either here or VAF
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| Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:33 pm Post subject: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
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Dave,
I don't think you need to think of it as now or never. I know the Dynon equivalent can be added anytime you choose, as I installed mine about 3 yrs after first flight. Just had to update configuration in the network and system activated those items in the menu. Once I got the calibration close to what others found worked, it was very nice. I expect the Garmin version would be very much the same. It takes some load off flying in light turbulence, and if you have back seat pax, I'm sure they would appreciate it. The Dynon system lets you put in independent switch to turn YD on or off separately from the AP. I expect you can do same with Garmin.
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| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Charles Derk <cderk(at)icloud.com>
Why are you considering it now? Just curious. So you feel you need one? I’m still building but put one in...
> On Sep 17, 2019, at 7:57 PM, David Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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> Is anyone out there sorry they got a yaw damper for their Garmin autopilot? I survived without for a long time but I'm considering one now. If there are comments, pro or con, I'd like to hear them.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:03 am Post subject: Re: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
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I HIGHLY recommend it. 20k+ hours with a YD. The Garmin works great. I’d recommend the servo mount from Stein or the RV-14 mount from Van’s. No waggle, very smooth. Especially when you combine it with the Aerosport rudder trim.
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433 hours since first flight 5/2015 and no yaw damper... I did install a Ray Allen motor for rudder trim with a switch on the stick....and use it periodically.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:20 am Post subject: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
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One thing to note with the yaw dampener, make sure it is off before landing. I had turned off my autopilot but somehow turned on just the YD. Took a few seconds to figure out my the plane was arguing when I was setting up for a crosswind landing.
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I don't think you need to think of it as now or never. I know the Dynon equivalent can be added anytime you choose, as I installed mine about 3 yrs after first flight. Just had to update configuration in the network and system activated those items in the menu. Once I got the calibration close to what others found worked, it was very nice. I expect the Garmin version would be very much the same. It takes some load off flying in light turbulence, and if you have back seat pax, I'm sure they would appreciate it. The Dynon system lets you put in independent switch to turn YD on or off separately from the AP. I expect you can do same with Garmin.
| Quote: | | Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100 |
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 9:20 PM David Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com (saylor.dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | We're switching to a G3X. That's another thread but since it would include the AP, I'm considering the yaw damp option as well. The Garmin mounting solution looks pretty easy, even as a retrofit, so it's now or never. Just wondering if anyone has a great reason to add it, or not.
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:20 PM Charles Derk <cderk(at)icloud.com (cderk(at)icloud.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> RV10-List message posted by: Charles Derk <cderk(at)icloud.com>
Why are you considering it now? Just curious. So you feel you need one? I’m still building but put one in...
> On Sep 17, 2019, at 7:57 PM, David Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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> Is anyone out there sorry they got a yaw damper for their Garmin autopilot? I survived without for a long time but I'm considering one now. If there are comments, pro or con, I'd like to hear them.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:31 am Post subject: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
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In 260 hours of flying my RV-10, I have never felt the need for rudder trim. A fixed tab or wedge takes care of getting rudder neutral in cruise, and forces for climb or decent are minor. I don't think it is a good idea to add weight of a trim motor and mechanism to the rear of a control surface, at least without re-balancing the rudder to spec. The yaw damper takes care of the minor trim needed as soon as you engage it. I'd certainly recommend the YD over installing adjustable rudder trim. | Quote: | | Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100 |
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I would counter this and say that the rudder trim is highly dependent on your situation. In my case I would go from single pilot to fully loaded to gross, and in between. A wedge compensated for many flights but with big changes in cruise speed and loading, that’s when the trim is handy. So if you’re one of those who generally flies with one or two people max or rarely has the plane fully loaded, you may not need it as much as someone else. There are more factors involved to be able to give a definite blanket statement. I use mine much less on the RV14 than the 10.
Tim
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| Quote: | In 260 hours of flying my RV-10, I have never felt the need for rudder trim. A fixed tab or wedge takes care of getting rudder neutral in cruise, and forces for climb or decent are minor. I don't think it is a good idea to add weight of a trim motor and mechanism to the rear of a control surface, at least without re-balancing the rudder to spec. The yaw damper takes care of the minor trim needed as soon as you engage it. I'd certainly recommend the YD over installing adjustable rudder trim. | Quote: | | Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100 |
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What, if any, are the risk of adding an electric rudder trim tab?
Sent from Robert's
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I would counter this and say that the rudder trim is highly dependent on your situation. In my case I would go from single pilot to fully loaded to gross, and in between. A wedge compensated for many flights but with big changes in cruise speed and loading, that’s when the trim is handy. So if you’re one of those who generally flies with one or two people max or rarely has the plane fully loaded, you may not need it as much as someone else. There are more factors involved to be able to give a definite blanket statement. I use mine much less on the RV14 than the 10.
Tim
On Sep 18, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | In 260 hours of flying my RV-10, I have never felt the need for rudder trim. A fixed tab or wedge takes care of getting rudder neutral in cruise, and forces for climb or decent are minor. I don't think it is a good idea to add weight of a trim motor and mechanism to the rear of a control surface, at least without re-balancing the rudder to spec. The yaw damper takes care of the minor trim needed as soon as you engage it. I'd certainly recommend the YD over installing adjustable rudder trim. | Quote: | | Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100 |
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Many of us have an electric rudder trim tab. I use mine every flight, but I think I could do a better job of aligning my gear leg fairings to keep the ball closer to center over a broader range of air speeds. (I plan on doing that once the wx cools off).
As far as (potential) risks:
- It does add weight to the rudder, therefore it could become unbalanced.
- It does add a surface that could flutter in the wind should the linkage break.
As far as real world problems that I’m aware of:
- None. We haven’t had one fail to the point is causing any form of damage or an accident.
So the real risk is very small.
Phil
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On Sep 18, 2019, at 9:18 AM, Robert Skinner <robskinner(at)sbcglobal.net (robskinner(at)sbcglobal.net)> wrote:
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Sent from Robert's
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I would counter this and say that the rudder trim is highly dependent on your situation. In my case I would go from single pilot to fully loaded to gross, and in between. A wedge compensated for many flights but with big changes in cruise speed and loading, that’s when the trim is handy. So if you’re one of those who generally flies with one or two people max or rarely has the plane fully loaded, you may not need it as much as someone else. There are more factors involved to be able to give a definite blanket statement. I use mine much less on the RV14 than the 10.
Tim
On Sep 18, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | In 260 hours of flying my RV-10, I have never felt the need for rudder trim. A fixed tab or wedge takes care of getting rudder neutral in cruise, and forces for climb or decent are minor. I don't think it is a good idea to add weight of a trim motor and mechanism to the rear of a control surface, at least without re-balancing the rudder to spec. The yaw damper takes care of the minor trim needed as soon as you engage it. I'd certainly recommend the YD over installing adjustable rudder trim. | Quote: | | Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100 |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:26 pm Post subject: Garmin Yaw Damper? |
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Kelly,
Yeah, I could do it later but at this point I'll at least run the wires while the floor is opened up. But if you're seeing an improvement in the ride, then I'm leaning towards it.
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 9:37 PM Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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I don't think you need to think of it as now or never. I know the Dynon equivalent can be added anytime you choose, as I installed mine about 3 yrs after first flight. Just had to update configuration in the network and system activated those items in the menu. Once I got the calibration close to what others found worked, it was very nice. I expect the Garmin version would be very much the same. It takes some load off flying in light turbulence, and if you have back seat pax, I'm sure they would appreciate it. The Dynon system lets you put in independent switch to turn YD on or off separately from the AP. I expect you can do same with Garmin.
| Quote: | | Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100 |
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| Quote: | We're switching to a G3X. That's another thread but since it would include the AP, I'm considering the yaw damp option as well. The Garmin mounting solution looks pretty easy, even as a retrofit, so it's now or never. Just wondering if anyone has a great reason to add it, or not.
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 8:20 PM Charles Derk <cderk(at)icloud.com (cderk(at)icloud.com)> wrote:
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Why are you considering it now? Just curious. So you feel you need one? I’m still building but put one in...
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> Is anyone out there sorry they got a yaw damper for their Garmin autopilot? I survived without for a long time but I'm considering one now. If there are comments, pro or con, I'd like to hear them.
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I have the same rudder trim. I installed in way back when because my partner wanted it. Never thought I'd use it. Ended up loving it.
As I understand it, the Garmin servos have outputs to drive an external trim motor as well. I have pitch autotrim now, and it's fantastic. I wonder what yaw autotrim would be like. Never really thought about it.
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433 hours since first flight 5/2015 and no yaw damper... I did install a Ray Allen motor for rudder trim with a switch on the stick....and use it periodically.Â
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Is that a Garmin system?
Does the YD go off with AP disconnect, or do you have to turn it off separately?
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:25 AM William Greenley <wgreenley(at)gmail.com (wgreenley(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | One thing to note with the yaw dampener, make sure it is off before landing. I had turned off my autopilot but somehow turned on just the YD. Took a few seconds to figure out my the plane was arguing when I was setting up for a crosswind landing.
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 12:37 AM Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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I don't think you need to think of it as now or never. I know the Dynon equivalent can be added anytime you choose, as I installed mine about 3 yrs after first flight. Just had to update configuration in the network and system activated those items in the menu. Once I got the calibration close to what others found worked, it was very nice. I expect the Garmin version would be very much the same. It takes some load off flying in light turbulence, and if you have back seat pax, I'm sure they would appreciate it. The Dynon system lets you put in independent switch to turn YD on or off separately from the AP. I expect you can do same with Garmin.
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On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 9:20 PM David Saylor <saylor.dave(at)gmail.com (saylor.dave(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | We're switching to a G3X. That's another thread but since it would include the AP, I'm considering the yaw damp option as well. The Garmin mounting solution looks pretty easy, even as a retrofit, so it's now or never. Just wondering if anyone has a great reason to add it, or not.
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Why are you considering it now? Just curious. So you feel you need one? I’m still building but put one in...
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> Is anyone out there sorry they got a yaw damper for their Garmin autopilot? I survived without for a long time but I'm considering one now. If there are comments, pro or con, I'd like to hear them.
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It's easy enough to re-balance. I used the access panel kit for the stall switch and mounted the ray allen motor to the cover. It's about mid-rudder. It's been to VNE, no issues, not pushing it past that.
Might change the pivot screw though 
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:36 AM Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | In 260 hours of flying my RV-10, I have never felt the need for rudder trim. A fixed tab or wedge takes care of getting rudder neutral in cruise, and forces for climb or decent are minor. I don't think it is a good idea to add weight of a trim motor and mechanism to the rear of a control surface, at least without re-balancing the rudder to spec. The yaw damper takes care of the minor trim needed as soon as you engage it. I'd certainly recommend the YD over installing adjustable rudder trim. | Quote: | | Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100 |
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Kelly is right, you should rebalance the rudder to specs if you add weight to it. And if the pushrod failed then the tab would be free in the slipstream, as any trim tab would. I imagine it would streamline, but no one knows for sure unless they've tested it. Personally I haven't heard any rudder trim horror stories.
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On Sep 18, 2019, at 9:02 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:
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I would counter this and say that the rudder trim is highly dependent on your situation. In my case I would go from single pilot to fully loaded to gross, and in between. A wedge compensated for many flights but with big changes in cruise speed and loading, that’s when the trim is handy. So if you’re one of those who generally flies with one or two people max or rarely has the plane fully loaded, you may not need it as much as someone else. There are more factors involved to be able to give a definite blanket statement. I use mine  much less on the RV14 than the 10.
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On Sep 18, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | In 260 hours of flying my RV-10, I have never felt the need for rudder trim. A fixed tab or wedge takes care of getting rudder neutral in cruise, and forces for climb or decent are minor. I don't think it is a good idea to add weight of a trim motor and mechanism to the rear of a control surface, at least without re-balancing the rudder to spec. The yaw damper takes care of the minor trim needed as soon as you engage it. I'd certainly recommend the YD over installing adjustable rudder trim. | Quote: | | Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100 |
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Also, unlike pitch trim, my rudder trim isn't very powerful. I've had it to the stop in cruise and it's not overwhelming. Pitch is a...you know.
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I would counter this and say that the rudder trim is highly dependent on your situation. In my case I would go from single pilot to fully loaded to gross, and in between. A wedge compensated for many flights but with big changes in cruise speed and loading, that’s when the trim is handy. So if you’re one of those who generally flies with one or two people max or rarely has the plane fully loaded, you may not need it as much as someone else. There are more factors involved to be able to give a definite blanket statement. I use mine  much less on the RV14 than the 10.
Tim
On Sep 18, 2019, at 8:30 AM, Kelly McMullen <apilot2(at)gmail.com (apilot2(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | In 260 hours of flying my RV-10, I have never felt the need for rudder trim. A fixed tab or wedge takes care of getting rudder neutral in cruise, and forces for climb or decent are minor. I don't think it is a good idea to add weight of a trim motor and mechanism to the rear of a control surface, at least without re-balancing the rudder to spec. The yaw damper takes care of the minor trim needed as soon as you engage it. I'd certainly recommend the YD over installing adjustable rudder trim. | Quote: | | Sent from my TRS-80 Model 100 |
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