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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 12:14 pm    Post subject: Mono to Taildragger conversion Reply with quote

Hello All
Is anyone in the UK in the business of converting monowheel Europa's to
standard tailwheel configuration?
William Bliss G-WUFF


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:59 am    Post subject: Mono to Taildragger conversion Reply with quote

Hi William,
Do you really mean 'standard tailwheel' because there is no such thing. The only 'standard' mod is for tri gear conversion. There are tail wheel conversions that have been carried out but they are not standard mods.
Pete Jeffers

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 5:27 am    Post subject: Mono to Taildragger conversion Reply with quote

Hi William,
                     I own a conventional Europa Taildragger G-BWEG.  The original builder did the conversion from Mono using the Swiss Mod. I believe that Duncan McFadyean G-BXII has also done a cracking job on his Europa. My last email for Duncan is member(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk (member(at)mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk)
If you have had any other responses I be happy to receive them.
Best wishes
Jim Kelly

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Mono to Taildragger conversion Reply with quote

Tail wheel conversion using reversed main gear legs. Please see my website for details www.acroflight.co.uk

There is one flying and it is approved in the UK via an LAA Mod.

It is lighter than the Swiss version and, in our opinion, has better ground handling qualities.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Mono to Taildragger conversion Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:44 am    Post subject: Mono to Taildragger conversion Reply with quote

John,
I didn't know that the FLyer LG mod was lighter than the Swiss. The Swiss is weight-compatable with the monowheel (actually slightly lighter, depending on wheel/tyre choice). Is that also the case with the Flyer Mod.
Is the Flyer mod available as a retrofit?
Rgds.,
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Tail wheel conversion using reversed main gear legs. Please see my website for details www.acroflight.co.uk

There is one flying and it is approved in the UK via an LAA Mod.

It is lighter than the Swiss version and, in our opinion, has better ground handling qualities.

Regards
John Wighton

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Mono to Taildragger conversion Reply with quote

Hi Duncan,

The intention was to get the prototype working and then create kits. The mono to tail dragged market being the main objective. When Miles decided to pursue his own business, away from Flyer, the project stalled.

I had an attempt to buy the Flyer Europa but Mike was a far more effective purchaser - quickly finishing the aeroplane and having the final stage of the Mod application approved.

As l funded the original design work l own any associated IP, hence the reason for adding it as a product on our website. Our main business is design and stress analysis, as you are aware.

I did a comparable analysis of the Swiss gear, making assumptions when details were not known. The Swiss gear is significantly stiffer in the longitudinal direction (braking and rebound loads). Our version, utilising the solid ma8n gear of the Europa tri, gives similar stiffness in all directions.

The mass items are the main legs, sandwich panel webs and additional reinforcing plies that cover them. The reinforcements form a Y shape (from the pilot seat you see this shape >——< under the knees of the occupants. The centre —— part braces the tunnel walls and gives a cont8nuous load path.

I can supply photos is needed.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:36 pm    Post subject: Mono to Taildragger conversion Reply with quote

John,
Thanks for your reply.
I have a monowheel owner very seriously wanting to convert to taildragger; in fact he won't put the a/c back in to service until he's done that.
The Swiss conversion is dead-in-the-water as Luc Job (the original designer/manufacturer) says that he's lost the leg moulds, less still has any enthusiasm to produce any more legs.
Will it be possible to licence one further Flyer conversion and supply the drawings?
I appreciate that the gear legs are currently unobtainium from Europa and would need to be made up (in the States or similar). I imagine that LAA has the relevant details associated with the mod., but as IP owner, you would need to authorise any use of them.

Rgds.,
Duncan.
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Hi Duncan,

The intention was to get the prototype working and then create kits. The mono to tail dragged market being the main objective. When Miles decided to pursue his own business, away from Flyer, the project stalled.

I had an attempt to buy the Flyer Europa but Mike was a far more effective purchaser - quickly finishing the aeroplane and having the final stage of the Mod application approved.

As l funded the original design work l own any associated IP, hence the reason for adding it as a product on our website. Our main business is design and stress analysis, as you are aware.

I did a comparable analysis of the Swiss gear, making assumptions when details were not known. The Swiss gear is significantly stiffer in the longitudinal direction (braking and rebound loads). Our version, utilising the solid ma8n gear of the Europa tri, gives similar stiffness in all directions.

The mass items are the main legs, sandwich panel webs and additional reinforcing plies that cover them. The reinforcements form a Y shape (from the pilot seat you see this shape >——< under the knees of the occupants. The centre —— part braces the tunnel walls and gives a cont8nuous load path.

I can supply photos is needed.

Regards
JW

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:10 am    Post subject: Re: Mono to Taildragger conversion Reply with quote

Duncan (et al),

I am very pleased to support a conversion of one+ aircraft.

Regarding Luc, l fully appreciate his dilemma, l had my CFM Shadow landing gear mould taken from the moulding company by a person masquerading as myself. Fortunately the people/company behind the robbery could not reproduce the (complex) layup.

For the Europa Mod l was careful to make a plybook of all the plies needed, these are in digital form (IGS or DXF format) and can be used to create a kit of parts either by a nesting/cutter machine or via printed paper templates.. The installation instructions then give details of the sequence, orientation and initial 'touch' point of each ply.

The LAA (in their typical way) wanted some additional plies, belt and braces - although this adds only a few ounces to the build.

The main gear supply issue is a concern, perhaps you can update me via an email on the status of Europa supply chain, original supplier, etc?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:45 pm    Post subject: Mono to Taildragger conversion - Europa Aircraft Reply with quote

All, There is a comment in this post that the main gear legs are "unobtanium" from Europa Aircraft. Please be advised that this is not the case and we are regularly shipping these to customers. Further as a result of the recent move of Europa to our new facilities in Norfolk we have performed a number of modifications on customer aircraft including Trigear conversions and panel mods.

We are now working on a new series of mods, which we can now easily manage due to design and manufacturing being under one roof.

All the best,

Dave Stanbridge
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