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wdaniell.longport(at)gmai
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:07 am Post subject: Spring for bungee Conversion

Recently I visited Bud and very instructive it was too, thanks Bud.Â  I recommend it.

For the spring conversion the factory says that the springs rub against the upright (the upright that has the bump stop on the top against the frame) Â on the nose gear leg assembly and therefore you have to modify the nose gear upright or get a new nose gear assembly.Â  Bud said not to worry about that and indeed I saw a plane in his shop in which the springs were contacting the upright.

What is the general experience?Â  Do I need to modify nose gear or is it just the UK CAA being obsessive?



many thanks Will





William Daniell



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danny shepherd

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Location: north Wales, United Kingdom

Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:47 am Post subject: Spring for bungee Conversion

Hi william,

                           I fitted the springs in 2009 and have had no       problems with them. the only thing I do at each annual is to       grease top and bottom hooks.

       Cheers 

       Danny. G-C.E.R.I   XS TRI

       

       On 13/06/2016 16:07, William Daniell wrote:

     

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		                  Recently           I visited Bud and very instructive it was too, thanks Bud.Â  I           recommend it.

         

         

         For           the spring conversion the factory says that the springs rub           against the upright (the upright that has the bump stop on the           top against the frame) Â on the nose gear leg assembly and           therefore you have to modify the nose gear upright or get a           new nose gear assembly.Â  Bud said not to worry about that and           indeed I saw a plane in his shop in which the springs were           contacting the upright.

         

         

         What           is the general experience?Â  Do I need to modify nose gear or           is it just the UK CAA being obsessive?

         

         

         

         many           thanks Will

         

         

         

         

                                                William Daniell

               

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brian.davies(at)clara.co.
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:02 am Post subject: Spring for bungee Conversion

Hi William,

 

Nothing to do with the UK CAA or the LAA being obsessive.Â  The LAA standard mod was originally developed by Ian Rickard when he was the Europa Club Mods expert.Â  When the first few aircraft were modified (including mine) we discovered that some of the nose legs had uprights that were not at right angles to the pivot.Â  This caused one of the springs to foul the upright very badly.Â  The fix was to cut off the upright, replace it with a smaller diameter tube and weld it back in an upright position. This fix was approved by the LAA and, I think, subsequently adopted by Europa Ltd.Â  

 

Regards

 

Brian Davies

 

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Sent: 13 June 2016 16:07

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Subject: Spring for bungee Conversion

 

Recently I visited Bud and very instructive it was too, thanks Bud.  I recommend it.



 



For the spring conversion the factory says that the springs rub against the upright (the upright that has the bump stop on the top against the frame)  on the nose gear leg assembly and therefore you have to modify the nose gear upright or get a new nose gear assembly.  Bud said not to worry about that and indeed I saw a plane in his shop in which the springs were contacting the upright.



 



What is the general experience?  Do I need to modify nose gear or is it just the UK CAA being obsessive?



 



many thanks Will



 



 



William Daniell



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wdaniell.longport(at)gmai
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:11 am Post subject: Spring for bungee Conversion

Ah....thanks.

 Is there any way one can check this? 

Or is it critical to mod the nose gear leg with a smaller tube on the upright? 

Will On Jun 13, 2016 2:05 PM, "Brian Davies" <brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk (brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk)> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		  

Hi William,

Â 

Nothing to do with the UK CAA or the LAA being obsessive.Â  The LAA standard mod was originally developed by Ian Rickard when he was the Europa Club Mods expert.Â  When the first few aircraft were modified (including mine) we discovered that some of the nose legs had uprights that were not at right angles to the pivot.Â  This caused one of the springs to foul the upright very badly.Â  The fix was to cut off the upright, replace it with a smaller diameter tube and weld it back in an upright position. This fix was approved by the LAA and, I think, subsequently adopted by Europa Ltd.Â  

Â 

Regards

Â 

Brian Davies

Â 

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Sent: 13 June 2016 16:07

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Subject: Spring for bungee Conversion

Â 

Recently I visited Bud and very instructive it was too, thanks Bud.Â  I recommend it.



Â 



For the spring conversion the factory says that the springs rub against the upright (the upright that has the bump stop on the top against the frame) Â on the nose gear leg assembly and therefore you have to modify the nose gear upright or get a new nose gear assembly.Â  Bud said not to worry about that and indeed I saw a plane in his shop in which the springs were contacting the upright.



Â 



What is the general experience?Â  Do I need to modify nose gear or is it just the UK CAA being obsessive?



Â 



many thanks Will



Â 



Â 



William Daniell



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cakeykev(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:33 am Post subject: Spring for bungee Conversion

No problems, a small amount of grease on the hook contact points. 



Kevin Challis



On 13 Jun 2016, at 16:07, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com (wdaniell.longport(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Recently I visited Bud and very instructive it was too, thanks Bud.  I recommend it.

For the spring conversion the factory says that the springs rub against the upright (the upright that has the bump stop on the top against the frame)  on the nose gear leg assembly and therefore you have to modify the nose gear upright or get a new nose gear assembly.  Bud said not to worry about that and indeed I saw a plane in his shop in which the springs were contacting the upright.

What is the general experience?  Do I need to modify nose gear or is it just the UK CAA being obsessive?



many thanks Will





William Daniell



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wdaniell.longport(at)gmai
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:50 am Post subject: Spring for bungee Conversion

Brian

thanks very much.Â  Sounds serious. Â  Â So how can I tell with my nose gear is ok or not for the springs?

Will



William Daniell



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On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Brian Davies <brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk (brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

Hi William,

Â 

Nothing to do with the UK CAA or the LAA being obsessive.Â  The LAA standard mod was originally developed by Ian Rickard when he was the Europa Club Mods expert.Â  When the first few aircraft were modified (including mine) we discovered that some of the nose legs had uprights that were not at right angles to the pivot.Â  This caused one of the springs to foul the upright very badly.Â  The fix was to cut off the upright, replace it with a smaller diameter tube and weld it back in an upright position. This fix was approved by the LAA and, I think, subsequently adopted by Europa Ltd.Â  

Â 

Regards

Â 

Brian Davies

Â 

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of William Daniell

Sent: 13 June 2016 16:07

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Spring for bungee Conversion

Â 

Recently I visited Bud and very instructive it was too, thanks Bud.Â  I recommend it.



Â 



For the spring conversion the factory says that the springs rub against the upright (the upright that has the bump stop on the top against the frame) Â on the nose gear leg assembly and therefore you have to modify the nose gear upright or get a new nose gear assembly.Â  Bud said not to worry about that and indeed I saw a plane in his shop in which the springs were contacting the upright.



Â 



What is the general experience?Â  Do I need to modify nose gear or is it just the UK CAA being obsessive?



Â 



many thanks Will



Â 



Â 



William Daniell



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brian.davies(at)clara.co.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:32 am Post subject: Spring for bungee Conversion

Hi Will,

 

There is a very good write up of the issue and the action to be taken in the appendix to Mod 71 on the Europa factory website.Â  The misaligned tubes were up to 6mm out of vertical so it should, I think, be possible to check with a set square prior to starting the mod.Â  It sounds serious but I donâ€™t think it is a major issue. 

 

Brian

 

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Sent: 20 June 2016 09:49

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Spring for bungee Conversion

 

Brian



 



thanks very much.  Sounds serious.    So how can I tell with my nose gear is ok or not for the springs?



 



Will



William Daniell



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On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Brian Davies <brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk (brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk)> wrote:

Hi William,

 

Nothing to do with the UK CAA or the LAA being obsessive.  The LAA standard mod was originally developed by Ian Rickard when he was the Europa Club Mods expert.  When the first few aircraft were modified (including mine) we discovered that some of the nose legs had uprights that were not at right angles to the pivot.  This caused one of the springs to foul the upright very badly.  The fix was to cut off the upright, replace it with a smaller diameter tube and weld it back in an upright position. This fix was approved by the LAA and, I think, subsequently adopted by Europa Ltd.  

 

Regards

 

Brian Davies

 

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of William Daniell

Sent: 13 June 2016 16:07

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Spring for bungee Conversion

 

Recently I visited Bud and very instructive it was too, thanks Bud.  I recommend it.



 



For the spring conversion the factory says that the springs rub against the upright (the upright that has the bump stop on the top against the frame)  on the nose gear leg assembly and therefore you have to modify the nose gear upright or get a new nose gear assembly.  Bud said not to worry about that and indeed I saw a plane in his shop in which the springs were contacting the upright.



 



What is the general experience?  Do I need to modify nose gear or is it just the UK CAA being obsessive?



 



many thanks Will



 



 



William Daniell



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nigel_graham(at)m-tecque.
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Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 4:05 am Post subject: Spring for bungee Conversion

To supplement Mod 71, I have found an updated drawing (attached)       that shows how the down-stop tube was modified to clear the       springs. It clearly shows the weldment details but unfortunately       has no dimensions.     

Nigel

          

     On 20/06/2016 11:31, Brian Davies       wrote:

     

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Hi             Will,         

Â          

There             is a very good write up of the issue and the action to be             taken in the appendix to Mod 71 on the Europa factory             website.Â  The misaligned tubes were up to 6mm out of             vertical so it should, I think, be possible to check with a             set square prior to starting the mod.Â  It sounds serious but             I donâ€™t think it is a major issue.          

Â          

Brian         

Â          

From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)             [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On               Behalf Of William Daniell

             Sent: 20 June 2016 09:49

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             Subject: Re: Spring for bungee             Conversion         

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Brian           

                        

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thanks                 very much.Â  Sounds serious. Â  Â So how can I tell with my                 nose gear is ok or not for the springs?           

                        

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Will           

         

                    

                                                                                        

William Daniell                 

                 

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On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Brian               Davies <brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk (brian.davies(at)clara.co.uk)>               wrote:                                             

Hi                     William,                 

Â                  

Nothing                     to do with the UK CAA or the LAA being obsessive.Â                      The LAA standard mod was originally developed by Ian                     Rickard when he was the Europa Club Mods expert.Â                      When the first few aircraft were modified (including                     mine) we discovered that some of the nose legs had                     uprights that were not at right angles to the                     pivot.Â  This caused one of the springs to foul the                     upright very badly.Â  The fix was to cut off the                     upright, replace it with a smaller diameter tube and                     weld it back in an upright position. This fix was                     approved by the LAA and, I think, subsequently                     adopted by Europa Ltd.Â                   

Â                  

Regards                 

Â                  

Brian                     Davies                 

Â                  

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                     Subject: Spring for bungee                     Conversion                 

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Recently I                         visited Bud and very instructive it was too,                         thanks Bud.Â  I recommend it.                   

                                        

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For the                         spring conversion the factory says that the                         springs rub against the upright (the upright                         that has the bump stop on the top against the                         frame) Â on the nose gear leg assembly and                         therefore you have to modify the nose gear                         upright or get a new nose gear assembly.Â  Bud                         said not to worry about that and indeed I saw a                         plane in his shop in which the springs were                         contacting the upright.                   

                                        

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What is                         the general experience?Â  Do I need to modify                         nose gear or is it just the UK CAA being                         obsessive?                   

                                        

Â                    

                                        

many                         thanks Will                   

                                        

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