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 Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 1:52 pm Post subject: finding the correct crimper |
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At 02:54 PM 5/8/2016, you wrote:
| Quote: | | Thanks for the report Bob. I wish I could duplicate your results, but on all of mine either the wires pull out easily, or if I use a smaller setting it mangles the terminal. I am assuming that your 10 pound pull out is prior to the insulation crimp, right? I have another tool ordered which should be here this week. I am hoping it works a lot better than the three I have already tried. |
Can you send me some pictures of the not-so-useful
tool?
Bob . . .
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 2:08 pm Post subject: finding the correct crimper |
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At 02:54 PM 5/8/2016, you wrote:
| Quote: | | Thanks for the report Bob. I wish I could duplicate your results, but on all of mine either the wires pull out easily, or if I use a smaller setting it mangles the terminal. I am assuming that your 10 pound pull out is prior to the insulation crimp, right? I have another tool ordered which should be here this week. I am hoping it works a lot better than the three I have already tried. |
Can you send me some pictures of the not-so-useful
tool?
[img]cid:7.1.0.9.0.20160508170431.020de450(at)aeroelectric.com.0[/img]
My favorite tool has no 'settings'. There
are three b-crimp pockets which are generally
adequate for terminals accepting wires from
14 AWG to 22 AWG.
Bob . . .
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kenryan
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 3:04 pm Post subject: finding the correct crimper |
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That looks similar to what I have tried. Attached is a photo showing the three I have used so far. Two fairly inexpensive and one fairly expensive.
On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | At 02:54 PM 5/8/2016, you wrote:
| Quote: | | Thanks for the report Bob. I wish I could duplicate your results, but on all of mine either the wires pull out easily, or if I use a smaller setting it mangles the terminal. I am assuming that your 10 pound pull out is prior to the insulation crimp, right? I have another tool ordered which should be here this week. I am hoping it works a lot better than the three I have already tried. |
 Can you send me some pictures of the not-so-useful
 tool?
[img]cid:7.1.0.9.0.20160508170431.020de450(at)aeroelectric.com.0[/img]
 My favorite tool has no 'settings'. There
 are three b-crimp pockets which are generally
 adequate for terminals accepting wires from
 14 AWG to 22 AWG.
 Bob . . .
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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 3:42 pm Post subject: finding the correct crimper |
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At 06:01 PM 5/8/2016, you wrote:
| Quote: | | That looks similar to what I have tried. Attached is a photo showing the three I have used so far. Two fairly inexpensive and one fairly expensive. |
The one on the right should work. Are you
sure the terminal wasn't rolling over in
the die before the punch starts to curl
the ends over onto the wires?
The "D" die should do the 18-20 AWG terminals.
Use the jaw-tips to partially close the
wire grips so that they are parallel to each
other. Then position in the die as shown, bring
the punch down on it with just enough force
to grip it. Slip the strands into the grip
region and put the mash on it. Use as much
hand-pressure as you can muster.
Pre-positioning as suggested should keep
the terminal from rolling as the punch
pushes it into the die.
[img]cid:7.1.0.9.0.20160508183214.04f87e60(at)aeroelectric.com.1[/img]
The rachet handled tool is undoubtedly set
up for a certain line of terminals and mating
wires. It will have a fixed crimp height, thus
limited in the range of wires/terminals.
The tool above stops reducing crimp height only
after you run out of snort, hence more accommodating
of variability in materials.
Bob . . .
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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 3:45 pm Post subject: finding the correct crimper |
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The rachet handled tool is undoubtedly set
up for a certain line of terminals and mating
wires. It will have a fixed crimp height, thus
limited in the range of wires/terminals.
Oops, obviously no ratchet . . . just a lot
of mechanical advantage typical of that
mechanism. But I suspect both of those die
pockets are too big for the terminals
under discussion.
Bob . . .
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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 3:59 pm Post subject: finding the correct crimper |
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Oops, obviously no ratchet . . . just a lot
of mechanical advantage typical of that
mechanism. But I suspect both of those die
pockets are too big for the terminals
under discussion.
Just guessing but the middle tool seems
to be for the Delphi 56 series terminals
and is probably an earlier version of this
tool.
[img]cid:7.1.0.9.0.20160508185158.021be978(at)aeroelectric.com.0[/img]
for these terminals.
[img]cid:7.1.0.9.0.20160508185158.021be978(at)aeroelectric.com.1[/img]
If you turn your tool over, are the punch/die
pairs a different size? That tool looks like
it does wire and insulation in a single stroke.
Those tools will generally have smaller cross-
sections on the wire grip side . . . a bit
larger on the insulation side.
Definitely problematic for the task at hand . . .
Bob . . .
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kenryan
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 5:58 pm Post subject: finding the correct crimper |
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Thanks Bob. I have your instruction sheet, so I used it when trying to crimp. As I said, I didn't have any trouble with the lighter gauge molex terminals. I will have a better quality crimper this week and according to the specs it is supposed to work on these exact terminals. As I am running low on terminals I will wait for those crimpers. They are very similar to the Delphi crimpers in the picture, but this one is definitely supposed to be for these exact terminals.
On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | Â Oops, obviously no ratchet . . . just a lot
 of mechanical advantage typical of that
 mechanism. But I suspect both of those die
 pockets are too big for the terminals
 under discussion.
 Just guessing but the middle tool seems
 to be for the Delphi 56 series terminals
 and is probably an earlier version of this
 tool.
[img]cid:7.1.0.9.0.20160508185158.021be978(at)aeroelectric.com.0[/img]
 for these terminals.
[img]cid:7.1.0.9.0.20160508185158.021be978(at)aeroelectric.com.1[/img]
 If you turn your tool over, are the punch/die
 pairs a different size? That tool looks like
 it does wire and insulation in a single stroke.
 Those tools will generally have smaller cross-
 sections on the wire grip side . . . a bit
 larger on the insulation side.
 Definitely problematic for the task at hand . . .
 Bob . . .
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 7:16 pm Post subject: finding the correct crimper |
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At 08:53 PM 5/8/2016, you wrote:
| Quote: | | Thanks Bob. I have your instruction sheet, so I used it when trying to crimp. As I said, I didn't have any trouble with the lighter gauge molex terminals. I will have a better quality crimper this week and according to the specs it is supposed to work on these exact terminals. As I am running low on terminals I will wait for those crimpers. They are very similar to the Delphi crimpers in the picture, but this one is definitely supposed to be for these exact terminals. |
I got lots of them. If you run low, drop
me your mailing address.
Bob . . .
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kenryan
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 11:29 am Post subject: finding the correct crimper |
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The new crimper worked perfectly, first time. Data on crimper: Purchased from crimpsupply.com, SKU 37A11001, Metri-Pack/56 Series/Pack-Con Crimping Tool #6285847. This crimper does not have a slot for the insulation crimp, but one of my other crimpers does. I probably got a little aggressive with the insulation crimp, will correct that on futures. The main thing is that the wire crimp worked perfectly, just as it should, giving a strong, tight good looking crimp. Pictures attached.Â
On Sun, May 8, 2016 at 7:13 PM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com (nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | At 08:53 PM 5/8/2016, you wrote:
| Quote: | | Thanks Bob. I have your instruction sheet, so I used it when trying to crimp. As I said, I didn't have any trouble with the lighter gauge molex terminals. I will have a better quality crimper this week and according to the specs it is supposed to work on these exact terminals. As I am running low on terminals I will wait for those crimpers. They are very similar to the Delphi crimpers in the picture, but this one is definitely supposed to be for these exact terminals. |
  I got lots of them. If you run low, drop
  me your mailing address.
 Bob . . .
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 11:34 am Post subject: finding the correct crimper |
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At 02:26 PM 5/9/2016, you wrote:
| Quote: | | The new crimper worked perfectly, first time. Data on crimper: Purchased from crimpsupply.com, SKU 37A11001, Metri-Pack/56 Series/Pack-Con Crimping Tool #6285847. This crimper does not have a slot for the insulation crimp, but one of my other crimpers does. I probably got a little aggressive with the insulation crimp, will correct that on futures. The main thing is that the wire crimp worked perfectly, just as it should, giving a strong, tight good looking crimp. Pictures attached. |
Good show!
Bob . . .
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kenryan
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 10:49 am Post subject: finding the correct crimper |
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Just to add to this thread, it took some digging but I think I finally
pinpointed the correct tool for removing these terminals: "12093078
terminal removal tool." I have one ordered from Zack Electronics.
On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <
nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelectric.com> wrote:
[quote] At 02:26 PM 5/9/2016, you wrote:
The new crimper worked perfectly, first time. Data on crimper: Purchased
from crimpsupply.com, SKU 37A11001, Metri-Pack/56 Series/Pack-Con
Crimping Tool #6285847. This crimper does not have a slot for the
insulation crimp, but one of my other crimpers does. I probably got a
little aggressive with the insulation crimp, will correct that on futures
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