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flywithme

Joined: 27 Apr 2016
Posts: 19
Location: oklahoma

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:29 pm Post subject: new to Kolb list

Hello I am new to the Kolb list and new to the UL airplane too. in my youth i would fly with my dad in his Cessna 150 and also flew it myself some,but always with my dad. that was thirty some years ago and now i am in a position to have my own plane again. i still have my own runway although it needs some repair but that won't be a problem. I have purchased a Kolb Firefly for my first UL and just found this list. any suggestions on how i should go about learning to fly the Firefly? any advice or criticism is welcome.   Thanks   John

victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 2:13 pm Post subject: new to Kolb list

It is absolutely essential and critical for you to get at least a few hours of flight instruction. Especially since your previous experiences were many years ago.I'm not saying you need 30 or 40 hours of expensive flight training. I'm saying you need a few hours, depending on your previous experience and how fast you pick up the physical feeling, instinct, and understanding of flight principles.



If you can find a light-sport / LSA instructor, or an ultralight instructor, you will be better off than if you just went to a regular Cessna or Piper general aviation flight school.



Contact the US Ultralight Association USUA, and they will help you find somewhere close. USUA is very focused on safety and making sure you have a safe, enjoyable experience with your aircraft.



DO NOT just try to "teach yourself" by being careful and doing it somewhere by yourself. This is nearly guaranteed to damage your aircraft needlessly.



Bill Berle

www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities



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On Thu, 4/28/16, flywithme <constrjh(at)pldi.net> wrote:



 Subject: new to Kolb list

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Thursday, April 28, 2016, 2:29 PM

 

 

 "flywithme" <constrjh(at)pldi.net>

 

 Hello I am new to the Kolb list and new to the UL airplane

 too. in my youth i would fly with my dad in his Cessna 150

 and also flew it myself some,but always with my dad. that

 was thirty some years ago and now i am in a position to have

 my own plane again. i still have my own runway although it

 needs some repair but that won't be a problem. I have

 purchased a Kolb Firefly for my first UL and just found this

 list. any suggestions on how i should go about learning to

 fly the Firefly? any advice or criticism is

 welcome.   Thanks   John

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:07 pm Post subject: new to Kolb list

Hi John,



Welcome to the world of Kolb and this list!



You will find a wide range of experiences and advice from this list. Search

"first flights" and see what comes up. There are different opinions on how

to do a first flight. I would recommend reading all of them. The more you

know, the better prepared you will be.



Based on what you have posted so far, it would appear that you do not have

any formal flight training. That is OK but would indicate that you probably

need more experience. Do you have much experience with take offs and

landings or just driving around the sky?



I LOVE my Firefly! It is a really fun airplane to fly but it is NOT a Cessna

150. I had lots of hours in an Aeronca Chief which is closer to the Firefly

than the 150 but it was still a lot different than the Firefly. 250 pounds

aircraft weight acts a lot differently than 800 pounds.



I would say that based on what you have said so far, some dual time in the

lightest tail dragger you can find is essential for you. I would recommend

finding someplace that you can take enough lessons to at least solo in a

taildragger. They are a completely different machine than a tri-cycle gear.

Not bad, just different.  There is a reason that the FAA requires a sign off

for tailwheel flight. If you can find someone to give you lessons in a two

place Kolb go for it! Buy the gas, buy lunch, whatever you have to do to get

time in a Kolb, even if not "official" training.  After that I would look

for any other very light weight (LSA) taildragger. IF not available, a Cub

or Champ would be the next closest.



Once you can solo one of these, you will have a much better idea of what a

Firefly will be like. BUT, not quite, the Firefly is a true ultralight and

you need to be ready for the extra light weight. Also a Kolb with a high

mounted engine has different inputs than a centerline mounted engine. Again,

NOT bad, just different.



The advice that Bill gave is spot on. In a way it may be good that you don't

have lots of hours in a type of aircraft that is way different. That way you

won't have as much to "un-learn" or put another way, you probably don't have

any bad habits that need correcting.



Do you already have a Firefly? If not, are you going to get a used one or

order a new one from the factory? Bryan (owner of Kolb) is a really swell

guy and will NOT steer you wrong. If you are still looking, please give him

a call at the factory and introduce yourself. You will be glad you did.



Please let the rest of us know more about you. Where you live, if you have a

Firefly already, what your runway is like, etc. There may be an owner nearby

that will help you out. This list is a pretty giving bunch of pilots.



Lastly, if you have read this far, Please, Please, Please don't take any of

this as "know it all" or "preachy" or "snobbish". I don't like "safety

police" myself and will only say that I would rather have a lively

discussion on this list than read about you in the "bad" report from the

FAA. Your safety is YOUR business, not mine. You asked for advice, so there

it is...



Offered at the exact price you paid for it.



Again, WELCOME, and let's talk more,



Stuart



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flywithme

Joined: 27 Apr 2016
Posts: 19
Location: oklahoma

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:18 am Post subject: Re: new to Kolb list

Thanks for the replies. I already have a firefly but i don't intend to try to fly it until i get some instruction. right now i am trying to evaluate the aircraft and familiarize myself with the whole ultralite concept. i will probably unfold the airplane and do some extensive taxi around the place just to familiarize myself with the feel of such a lite aircraft. i need to familiarize myself with the Rotax engine and all of its different aspects and maintenance needs etc. are there any special needs the firefly has that i should address while i am getting some instruction? i have been going over all of the welds,cables,hoses and wires etc looking for anything that could cause a problem when in the air.

williamtsullivan(at)att.n
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Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:37 am Post subject: new to Kolb list

Bookmark this:  http://jackbhart.com/firefly/firefly.html



Jack Hart is an engineer, and has thoroughly documented his Firefly.  Enjoy!



                                                   Bill Sullivan

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On Fri, 4/29/16, flywithme <constrjh(at)pldi.net> wrote:



 Subject: Re: new to Kolb list

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Friday, April 29, 2016, 1:18 PM

 

 

 "flywithme" <constrjh(at)pldi.net>

 

 Thanks for the replies. I already have a firefly but i don't

 intend to try to fly it until i get some instruction. right

 now i am trying to evaluate the aircraft and familiarize

 myself with the whole ultralite concept. i will probably

 unfold the airplane and do some extensive taxi around the

 place just to familiarize myself with the feel of such a

 lite aircraft. i need to familiarize myself with the Rotax

 engine and all of its different aspects and maintenance

 needs etc. are there any special needs the firefly has that

 i should address while i am getting some instruction? i have

 been going over all of the welds,cables,hoses and wires etc

 looking for anything that could cause a problem when in the

 air.

 

 

 

 

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olendorf

Joined: 06 Jul 2006
Posts: 140
Location: Schenectady, NY USA

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:38 am Post subject: Re: new to Kolb list

Keep in mind that when you taxi around you ARE flying it. So make sure it and you are both ready for flight.  Many people who have "just taxied" ended up in the air.

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Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:47 am Post subject: new to Kolb list

The pilot will be the primary "cause of a problem when in the air."



Be very careful during your familiarization to taxi exercise.  Fast taxi and

a gust of wind will have you airborne and committed to flight in the blink

of an eye.  More than one inexperienced Kolb pilot has found himself in that

situation.



If it was me, I'd wait for taxi exercises until after I had become qualified

to fly the Firefly.



My opinion only.



john h

MKIII-3,400.00 hours airframe

912ULS-800.0 hours engine

6,000.00+ hours Kolb PIC 

Titus, Alabama



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stuart(at)harnerfarm.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 11:54 am Post subject: new to Kolb list

Two things that come to mind is that the high mounted engine can cause the

Firefly to nose over with just an application of too much  power. And with a

447 and gear box it requires left rudder input unlike a "conventional" tail

dragger such as a Cub or Champ which require right rudder.



For doing engine break-in or other run ups, be sure to have the tail tied

down tight, it can nose over on you!



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neilsenrm(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 12:15 pm Post subject: new to Kolb list

John makes a real good point about taxing and it doesn't need to be a wind gust. You can be taxing along just fine and you cut the power. It can leap into the air with no power. Not good. Then you add power and it will nose down still below flying speed. Again not good and even worse.

The high thrust line isn't a problem it is just unique and it takes practice to handle and at low speed it is more exaggerated. Just keep saying add power the plane will pitch down pull the stick back. Reduce power the plane will pitch up push the stick forward. There are two things that will bite you if you aren't really good and ready. The first is fast taxi. Don't do it as a learning tool. The next is a crow hop. Don't do it.

One more thing that is unique to all very light planes is the low inertia. Flying a Cessna 150 will not help you in this area. When you come in for a landing in a Kolb you need to fly right down to about one foot before you flair. Kolbs bleed speed away considerably quicker than bigger heaver planes. In a Cessna 150 you will learn to start your flair at 30-50 feet and heaver faster planes even higher. This will work against you when you then fly a kolb. To make things easier while learning landings in a Kolb make you approach faster and with some power. Kolbs need little runway, so a longer landing shouldn't be a problem. Do use a long grass strip for practice. If you do have to add power for a missed approach add power slowly and do it before you get close to the ground. I can't say it too often add power pull back reduce power push forward.

Again worth what you paid for it

Rick Neilsen

Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC





On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 2:47 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:

[quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>

 

 The pilot will be the primary "cause of a problem when in the air."

 

 Be very careful during your familiarization to taxi exercise.  Fast taxi and

 a gust of wind will have you airborne and committed to flight in the blink

 of an eye.  More than one inexperienced Kolb pilot has found himself in that

 situation.

 

 If it was me, I'd wait for taxi exercises until after I had become qualified

 to fly the Firefly.

 

 My opinion only.

 

 john h

 MKIII-3,400.00 hours airframe

 912ULS-800.0 hours engine

 6,000.00+ hours Kolb PIC

 Titus, Alabama

 

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Frankd

Joined: 28 Mar 2008
Posts: 64

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: new to Kolb list

Hello Newcomer,   Welcome.. 

This is such an important question that I had to give my 2 cents worth. 



before I flew my Xtra I did two things:-

1/ I got a ride in a KOLB MkIII that was local to give me the sight picture you get from that aircraft... Its unique but I then knew what to expect. 



2/ I flew ALOT in a Champ,  to get as close experience as I could to a Kolb.  It would have been better in a Kolb 2 seat  as the inertia loss  is still a much bigger factor than the champ,  it would have been better in a cub.. 



Given the above I would suggest contacting the factory to see if they could help in this area. 



All the previous advise is spot on... we all want you to be successful.. 



Good luck and let us know how you got on.. 

FrankD



MkIII Xtra N1014S

Herbgh(at)nctc.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:25 pm Post subject: new to Kolb list

a sad story in regards to a new Firefly pilot....

   about 12 years ago...I got a call from Travis telling me that a guy 

in Va had bent his cage crow hopping....and that he was coming to the 

factory to get a new one and that I could have the old cage for travel 

expenses...So off I went to meet the guy and buy the bent cage... Turns 

out it was lightly damaged and in much better than the one I had just 

bent..dropping my Firefly in from 50 or so feet...



    In meeting the guy...I learned that he was trying to master flying 

on his own...



     I thought I did a good job of putting the fear of God in him and he 

promised to get some air time while in Florida over the next month.....



    long story short...he made the newspaper in Roanoke,Va... never made 

it to Fla....Herb



On 04/29/2016 01:47 PM, John Hauck wrote:

[quote] 



 The pilot will be the primary "cause of a problem when in the air."



 Be very careful during your familiarization to taxi exercise.  Fast taxi and

 a gust of wind will have you airborne and committed to flight in the blink

 of an eye.  More than one inexperienced Kolb pilot has found himself in that

 situation.



 If it was me, I'd wait for taxi exercises until after I had become qualified

 to fly the Firefly.



 My opinion only.



 john h

 MKIII-3,400.00 hours airframe

 912ULS-800.0 hours engine

 6,000.00+ hours Kolb PIC

 Titus, Alabama



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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1669
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: new to Kolb list

Power on stalls are different. My experience is  - if the engine is still at climb or full power at the break, the airplane will try and rotate around the center of drag, and you can go REALLY nose down really quickly. 



If you chop the power at the break, you create a sudden huge amount of drag from the prop which is well above the center of mass and drag UNLESS you also apply down elevator at the same time. 



My personal technique (experiment at your own risk) is that in a power on stall you chop the power and apply full forward stick at the stall break, the airplane will literally rotate around the center of mass in just a couple seconds, the airspeed falls off to zero, and as it goes to about 30-40 degrees nose low, the airspeed quickly returns, you can neutralize the controls and it is flying again with a very minimal loss of altitude. 

Once you get really used to your airplane, the so-called "impossible turn" ie; losing the engine right after takeoff and doing a dead stick 180 back to the runway becomes quite feasible. 



Practice it a couple thousand feet up...

_________________
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0

Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.

victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:31 pm Post subject: new to Kolb list

Herb what is the deal with the guy in CA with the tailboom tubes for sale? I sent you an e-mail asking about it and did not hear back from you.



Bill Berle

www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities



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On Fri, 4/29/16, Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> wrote:



 Subject: Re: Re: new to Kolb list

 To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

 Date: Friday, April 29, 2016, 4:24 PM

 

 

 Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>

 

 a sad story in regards to a new Firefly pilot....

    about 12 years ago...I got a call from

 Travis telling me that a guy 

 in Va had bent his cage crow hopping....and that he was

 coming to the 

 factory to get a new one and that I could have the old cage

 for travel 

 expenses...So off I went to meet the guy and buy the bent

 cage... Turns 

 out it was lightly damaged and in much better than the one I

 had just 

 bent..dropping my Firefly in from 50 or so feet...

 

     In meeting the guy...I learned that he was

 trying to master flying 

 on his own...

 

      I thought I did a good job of

 putting the fear of God in him and he 

 promised to get some air time while in Florida over the next

 month.....

 

     long story short...he made the newspaper in

 Roanoke,Va... never made 

 it to Fla....Herb

 

 On 04/29/2016 01:47 PM, John Hauck wrote:

 > 

 >

 > The pilot will be the primary "cause of a problem when

 in the air."

 >

 > Be very careful during your familiarization to taxi

 exercise.  Fast taxi and

 > a gust of wind will have you airborne and committed to

 flight in the blink

 > of an eye.  More than one inexperienced Kolb pilot

 has found himself in that

 > situation.

 >

 > If it was me, I'd wait for taxi exercises until after I

 had become qualified

 > to fly the Firefly.

 >

 > My opinion only.

 >

 > john h

 > MKIII-3,400.00 hours airframe

 > 912ULS-800.0 hours engine

 > 6,000.00+ hours Kolb PIC

 > Titus, Alabama

 >

 > --

flywithme

Joined: 27 Apr 2016
Posts: 19
Location: oklahoma

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: new to Kolb list

Thanks very much for the advice! it is much appreciated!! i don't plan on any fast taxi and really glad you all warned me about just popping unexpectedly into the air. i can see with such a lite plane how this can happen very sudden. when the time comes after some instruction i have a 2800 grass runway to practice on. i need to do a search for first flights on this site to read as much as i can on this platform so i will be less surprised by it's characteristics. thanks again and don't be afraid to tell me how it is,

Herbgh(at)nctc.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:05 pm Post subject: new to Kolb list

I heard about them , same as you, here on the list...someone else posted 

the info...



  I am the one with the short "tube"!   Herb



On 04/29/2016 09:27 PM, Bill Berle wrote:

[quote] 



 Herb what is the deal with the guy in CA with the tailboom tubes for sale? I sent you an e-mail asking about it and did not hear back from you.



 Bill Berle

 www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

 www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities



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 On Fri, 4/29/16, Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com> wrote:



   Subject: Re: Re: new to Kolb list

   To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

   Date: Friday, April 29, 2016, 4:24 PM

   

   

   Herb <Herbgh(at)nctc.com>

   

   a sad story in regards to a new Firefly pilot....

      about 12 years ago...I got a call from

   Travis telling me that a guy

   in Va had bent his cage crow hopping....and that he was

   coming to the

   factory to get a new one and that I could have the old cage

   for travel

   expenses...So off I went to meet the guy and buy the bent

   cage... Turns

   out it was lightly damaged and in much better than the one I

   had just

   bent..dropping my Firefly in from 50 or so feet...

   

       In meeting the guy...I learned that he was

   trying to master flying

   on his own...

   

        I thought I did a good job of

   putting the fear of God in him and he

   promised to get some air time while in Florida over the next

   month.....

   

       long story short...he made the newspaper in

   Roanoke,Va... never made

   it to Fla....Herb

   

   On 04/29/2016 01:47 PM, John Hauck wrote:

   > 

   >

   > The pilot will be the primary "cause of a problem when

   in the air."

   >

   > Be very careful during your familiarization to taxi

   exercise.  Fast taxi and

   > a gust of wind will have you airborne and committed to

   flight in the blink

   > of an eye.  More than one inexperienced Kolb pilot

   has found himself in that

   > situation.

   >

   > If it was me, I'd wait for taxi exercises until after I

   had become qualified

   > to fly the Firefly.

   >

   > My opinion only.

   >

   > john h

   > MKIII-3,400.00 hours airframe

   > 912ULS-800.0 hours engine

   > 6,000.00+ hours Kolb PIC

   > Titus, Alabama

   >

   > --

DANIELBINDL

Joined: 17 Apr 2013
Posts: 5
Location: New Smyrna, FL

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:29 am Post subject: new to Kolb list

figure out your pounds per square foot of wing loading, and compare that wing loading to your other airplane wing loading experiences.



When I built my first Kolb, the UltraStar, three decades ago, the wing loading was about three pounds per square foot. That becomes sort of like flying a kite.

Daniel Bindl



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 Thanks very much for the advice! it is much appreciated!! i don't plan on any fast taxi and really glad you all warned me about just popping unexpectedly into the air. i can see with such a lite plane how this can happen very sudden. when the time comes after some instruction i have a 2800 grass runway to practice on. i need to do a search for first flights on this site to read as much as i can on this platform so i will be less surprised by it's characteristics. thanks again and don't be afraid to tell me how it is,

 

 

 

 

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Location: oklahoma

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:27 am Post subject: Re: new to Kolb list

thanks very much to all of you who have given advice! I have been kicking around the idea of hosting some kind of fly inn of sorts at my farm in Oklahoma. i have a 2000 foot grass runway under repair right now and am located within 50 miles of two interstate highways,the little town i live near has a good hotel too. i think it might be a good way to meet some more lite aircraft people and see some more airplanes and talk face to face with people who actually fly these. what do you think?? should i start another thread?



     John

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Posts: 1392
Location: Udall, KS, USA

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:54 am Post subject: new to Kolb list

If I may, do yourself a big favor and get an experienced pilot to fly your airplane before you do. No matter how much instruction, you will still be too inexperienced to deal with an emergency should one arise. When you do start flying limit your flying to early mornings and late evenings when there is no convective activity.Get the book, "The Compleat Taildragger Pilot" by Harvey S. Plourde and take his advise about fast taxiing.

If you want to know just how badly it can go wrong, review the experience of Scott Thompson.

Good luck and safe flying,

Rick Girard

Rick Girard





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 Thanks very much for the advice! it is much appreciated!! i don't plan on any fast taxi and really glad you all warned me about just popping unexpectedly into the air. i can see with such a lite plane how this can happen very sudden. when the time comes after some instruction i have a 2800 grass runway to practice on. i need to do a search for first flights on this site to read as much as i can on this platform so i will be less surprised by it's characteristics. thanks again and don't be afraid to tell me how it is,

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:55 am Post subject: new to Kolb list

Where about in OK? I'm just across the border in KS.



Rick

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 thanks very much to all of you who have given advice! I have been kicking around the idea of hosting some kind of fly inn of sorts at my farm in Oklahoma. i have a 2000 foot grass runway under repair right now and am located within 50 miles of two interstate highways,the little town i live near has a good hotel too. i think it might be a good way to meet some more lite aircraft people and see some more airplanes and talk face to face with people who actually fly these. what do you think?? should i start another thread?

 

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west1m

Joined: 19 Apr 2014
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Location: Hastings, MN

Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:47 pm Post subject: Re: new to Kolb list

A fly in would be great! I would like to be there..

The Firefly does get moved around a bit by wind, I gave up an put it back in the hanger last week after bouncing around a bit. You can see a couple of posts back "spring time" or youtube

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1g2s3BERPc

marlon



 	  flywithme wrote: 	
		  thanks very much to all of you who have given advice! I have been kicking around the idea of hosting some kind of fly inn of sorts at my farm in Oklahoma. i have a 2000 foot grass runway under repair right now and am located within 50 miles of two interstate highways,the little town i live near has a good hotel too. i think it might be a good way to meet some more lite aircraft people and see some more airplanes and talk face to face with people who actually fly these. what do you think?? should i start another thread?



     John

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