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 Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:30 am Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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| Quote: | On Jan 27, 2016, at 11:27 PM, Richard Hess <hess737(at)aol.com> wrote:
Why would anyone want to sit in a Yak or a CJ for that long?
Richard Hess
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> On Jan 28, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Looigi <cdoburton(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:32 am Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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You need to think of them as sports cars not touring machines.
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| Quote: | On Jan 27, 2016, at 11:27 PM, Richard Hess <hess737(at)aol.com> wrote:
Why would anyone want to sit in a Yak or a CJ for that long?
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
> On Jan 28, 2016, at 11:18 AM, Looigi <cdoburton(at)gmail.com> wrote:
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> My Yak 52 has the long range tanks. 270 Litres total which is good for 1000km... 300 more than the CJ-6...... nuff said!
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>> What am I trying to decide?
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>> Which plane I like best as price is similar for a nice CJ6 versus a nice T34.
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>> Right now I don't need advanced acro plane and for that an Extra or Pitts works better. I love the Yak but its range and cargo space is not that good for more than an hour flight. Perhaps someone who has owned both a CJ6 and a T34 might have some insights. Cost is similar. I see nice CJ6 for 120-150K and nice T34 in same price range. Fuel burn is similar and MX except for wing spar AD then would image similar as well.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:58 am Post subject: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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Yeah ..yeah...just slip the 50 on the ramp and watch the panties roll down.
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On Jan 28, 2016, at 1:20 PM, cjpilot710 <cjpilot710(at)aol.com (cjpilot710(at)aol.com)> wrote:
| Quote: | You forgot the "Chick Factor". While they may be dawned to the AF/Navy tag the 34 has, they being a curious specie are drawn to the " mysteries in the Far East" and exotic nature of the place. So in that park is CJ reigns supreme.
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From: Todd McCutchan <todd(at)fastaircraft.com (todd(at)fastaircraft.com)>
Date: 1/28/2016 12:36 (GMT-05:00)
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6
Since you asked for some specific T-34 info I will give you some as well as impressions between all of them as I have flown all of them.
My T-34 has 84 gallons burning 15 gph (at) 163 KTAS which gives a no reserve range of 912 nm / 1685 km in actual style and comfort with a huge baggage area with an external door.
The only thing that may be better at XC would be an SF260. A little faster but not sure about range and baggage area.
The wing spar issue is long ago resolved and wasn't an actual fleet problem but a specific problem for commercial ACM operations that were flying the planes very hard with lots of hours and g cycles. Even the F-15/16/18 wear out! Anything made will fail with enough g's and cycles. Regardless all the flying T-34's have had their wings inspected and modified in some way and their lives have been extended far beyond our own.
Here is a link to my website that has lots of general T-34 info and links to the articles I wrote for the EAA Warbirds online website.
http://www.toddmccutchanairshows.com/aircraft/
The 52 is a great local plane and is the best of them at aerobatics. It's also in my opinion the best bang for your buck. The CJ will cost a bit more, is a bit faster and has better luggage but no inverted system and is not as good at acro. The T-34 will cost the most of the 3 to purchase and is the fastest with the best baggage and any US A&P can work on it easily and parts are off the shelf from tons of suppliers. T-34 acro ability is almost identical to the CJ. Based on comparison between local 50, 52, CJ, and 34 MX cost works out to be similar with similar usage. The T-34 is mostly gas and go but will cost more when it does need something while the CJ / 52 require a lot more MX per flight hour as oil and air leaks are the most often being chased. Parts will cost a bit more for the 34 but the Russian / Chinese parts are increasing in cost every year.
Best advice I can give is:
1) buy the right plane for your mission (the way you will use it)
2) buy something that you can support locally (parts, mechanic, etc)
3) lean towards something that the people you fly with will be flying although any of these planes can fly form with the others.
4) buy the best example you can find/afford (lowest hours/best restoration). You can pay now or you can pay later but you will always pay in aviation.
The T-34, CJ-6 , Yak 50/52, T-6, SF-260 and T-28 are all great airplanes and I would own one of each if I could.
Good luck!
Todd McCutchanT-34A & Yak-50
Cell: (260) 402-1740
E-mail: todd(at)fastaircraft.com (todd(at)fastaircraft.com)
www.fastaircraft.com
On Jan 28, 2016, at 6:31 AM, jblake207(at)comcast.net (jblake207(at)comcast.net) wrote:
| Quote: | Sorry "Looigi" but my CJ has about 80 gallons of fuel for about six hours duration and about 750 miles or about 1200 km (no reserve)... doing it in style and comfort!
From: "Looigi" <cdoburton(at)gmail.com (cdoburton(at)gmail.com)>
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:18:58 PM
Subject: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Looigi" <cdoburton(at)gmail.com (cdoburton(at)gmail.com)>
My Yak 52 has the long range tanks. 270 Litres total which is good for 1000km... 300 more than the CJ-6...... nuff said!
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| Quote: | What am I trying to decide?
Which plane I like best as price is similar for a nice CJ6 versus a nice T34.
Right now I don't need advanced acro plane and for that an Extra or Pitts works better. I love the Yak but its range and cargo space is not that good for more than an hour flight. Perhaps someone who has owned both a CJ6 and a T34 might have some insights. Cost is similar. I see nice CJ6 for 120-150K and nice T34 in same price range. Fuel burn is similar and MX except for wing spar AD then would image similar as well.
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Looigi
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6 |
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That explains why my Nissan Leaf is so much more of a chick magnet than my neighbours V8 Camaro!
| cjpilot710(at)aol.com wrote: | You forgot the "Chick Factor". �While they may be dawned to the AF/Navy tag the 34 has, they being a curious specie are drawn to the " mysteries in the Far East" and exotic nature of the place. So in that park is CJ reigns supreme.
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-------- Original message --------
From: Todd McCutchan <todd>
Date: 1/28/2016 12:36 (GMT-05:00)
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6
Since you asked for some specific T-34 info I will give you some as well as impressions between all of them as I have flown all of them.
My T-34 has 84 gallons burning 15 gph (at) 163 KTAS which gives a no reserve range of 912 nm / 1685 km in actual style and comfort with a huge baggage area with an external door.
The only thing that may be better at XC would be an SF260. A little faster but not sure about range and baggage area.
The wing spar issue is long ago resolved and wasn't an actual fleet problem but a specific problem for commercial ACM operations that were flying the planes very hard with lots of hours and g cycles. Even the F-15/16/18 wear out! Anything made will fail with enough g's and cycles. Regardless all the flying T-34's have had their wings inspected and modified in some way and their lives have been extended far beyond our own.
Here is a link to my website that has lots of general T-34 info and links to the articles I wrote for the EAA Warbirds online website.
http://www.toddmccutchanairshows.com/aircraft/
The 52 is a great local plane and is the best of them at aerobatics. It's also in my opinion the best bang for your buck. The CJ will cost a bit more, is a bit faster and has better luggage but no inverted system and is not as good at acro. The T-34 will cost the most of the 3 to purchase and is the fastest with the best baggage and any US A&P can work on it easily and parts are off the shelf from tons of suppliers. T-34 acro ability is almost identical to the CJ. Based on comparison between local 50, 52, CJ, and 34 MX cost works out to be similar with similar usage. The T-34 is mostly gas and go but will cost more when it does need something while the CJ / 52 require a lot more MX per flight hour as oil and air leaks are the most often being chased. Parts will cost a bit more for the 34 but the Russian / Chinese parts are increasing in cost every year.
Best advice I can give is:
1) buy the right plane for your mission (the way you will use it)
2) buy something that you can support locally (parts, mechanic, etc)
3) lean towards something that the people you fly with will be flying although any of these planes can fly form with the others.
4) buy the best example you can find/afford (lowest hours/best restoration). You can pay now or you can pay later but you will always pay in aviation.
The T-34, CJ-6 , Yak 50/52, T-6, SF-260 and T-28 are all great airplanes and I would own one of each if I could.�
Good luck!
Todd McCutchanT-34A & Yak-50
Cell: (260) 402-1740
E-mail: todd(at)fastaircraft.com (todd(at)fastaircraft.com)
www.fastaircraft.com
On Jan 28, 2016, at 6:31 AM, jblake207(at)comcast.net (jblake207(at)comcast.net) wrote:
| Quote: | Sorry "Looigi" but my CJ has about 80 gallons of fuel for about six hours duration and about 750 miles or about 1200 km (no reserve)... doing it in style and comfort!�
From: "Looigi" <cdoburton>
To: yak-list(at)matronics.com (yak-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:18:58 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: First time buyer of a Yak 52 or Nanchang CJ-6
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Looigi" <cdoburton>
My Yak 52 has the long range tanks. �270 Litres total which is good for 1000km... 300 more than the CJ-6...... nuff said!
skyjockey wrote:
| Quote: | What am �I trying to decide?
Which plane I like best as price is similar for a nice CJ6 versus a nice T34.
Right now I don't need advanced acro plane and for that an Extra or Pitts works better. I love the Yak but its range and cargo space is not that good for more than an hour flight. Perhaps someone who has owned both a CJ6 and a T34 might have some insights. Cost is similar. I see nice CJ6 for 120-150K and nice T34 in same price range. Fuel burn is similar and MX except for wing spar AD then would image similar as well.
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Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=452378#452378
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