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John Hauck
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Seems there were photos of two different aircraft, one a standard MKIII and
one that had been modified to be a trigear???
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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| Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:09 pm Post subject: Kolb MK lll |
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Yeah, caught that too, must be a comm gap. Pretty certain he's getting the funky one.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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Seems there were photos of two different aircraft, one a standard MKIII and
one that had been modified to be a trigear???
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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byoungplumbing(at)gmail.c
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| Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:29 pm Post subject: Kolb MK lll |
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I noticed the same thing, and when I looked at the fergy , the horizontal liked to be mounted higher.
Boyd On Jan 15, 2014 2:04 PM, "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)>
Seems there were photos of two different aircraft, one a standard MKIII and
one that had been modified to be a trigear???
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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dany88
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| Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb MK lll |
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according to you, this may be an old ferguson?
of source documents there kolb mark 3
the owner tells me that in costruzzione and changed.
but in reality is a kolb mark 3
then with a bit of work pasienza and I can bring it back to its origins
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dany88
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| Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb MK lll |
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where can I find photos of the ferguson 20 years ago?
so I can compare? (ferguson or kolb)
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koxxy
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| Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2014 1:47 pm Post subject: Kolb MK lll |
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I think what Dany is trying to say is, can I convert the aircraft from tricycle gear to tailwheel (like the one in the photo).
"When will purchase the aircraft I will send you pictures.
However, I can turn it like this?"
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Yeah, caught that too, must be a comm gap. Pretty certain he's getting the funky one.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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| Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 12:48 am Post subject: Kolb MK lll |
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So why would you do that the a perfectly good MK111C ?Anyway once off the ground if it still fly's like a MK111C it will be a very good aeroplane .May not land as well ,I still like the third wheel behind not in front .
MK111c
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Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:09 AM
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Daniele, There's certainly a lot of Mk III in the airplane, but there have been so many changes made that it is a new airplane now. Good luck.
Rick Girard
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On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:03 AM, dany88 <danielecafaro(at)alice.it (danielecafaro(at)alice.it)> wrote:
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dany88
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:27 am Post subject: Re: Kolb MK lll |
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It never happened to a structural failure of a plane kolb?
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dany88
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| Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:38 am Post subject: Re: Kolb MK lll |
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Here are some pictures of the kolb in question. I do not buy more, because there are too many changes that I do not like. I wanted to ask you to buy a new kit as I do? I tried to send an email here.
customersupport(at)kolbaircraft.com but I do not know why my compueter tells me this These recipients of your message not have been processed by the mail server at customersupport(at)kolbaircraft.com; Failed, 5.1.2 (bad destination system address) Remote MTA smtp.secureserver . net: network error
(Why)?
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:54 am Post subject: Kolb MK lll |
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Dany:
Should be a good email address: customersupport(at)kolbaircraft.com
I'll contact Travis Brown and have him contact you soonest.
john h
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rickofudall
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| Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:47 am Post subject: Kolb MK lll |
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Daniele, I think you made the right decision. There are just too many changes to that aircraft and you might find that you could never get it back to a factory original condition.If you get a kit, keep it stock just as the plans direct. Add nothing that you are not willing to give up performance for. The closer you come to 493 lb. the better your Kolb will fly.
One final suggestion. Do not use a two stroke engine. Nothing will sour you on flying like consuming 20 liters of fuel per hour.
Good luck.
Rick Girard
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I found this wonderful kolb firestar in the year 1988 with 180 hours total. After 25 years you have to do some special maintenance? Fabric of the wings seems to be in good condition, although the structure and in excellent condition.
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It appears to be an original Firestar, with the 5 main rib wings. I have one like it, but mine is about a 1985. What engine does it have? You should probably do a punch test on the fabric to see if it has been affected by aging.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
Original FS, 447 Rotax.
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I found this wonderful kolb firestar in the year 1988 with 180 hours total. After 25 years you have to do some special maintenance? Fabric of the wings seems to be in good condition, although the structure and in excellent condition.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:32 am Post subject: Re: Kolb MK lll |
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The engine is a 377 rotax electric start
the price is 2700 dollars
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John Hauck
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:45 am Post subject: Kolb MK lll |
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Morning Folks:
Thought I was add this as info only from personal experience.
Not to nit-pick, but Polyester Dacron is not affected by age, as much as it is by ultraviolet light and sharp objects. Of course, an occasional washer or bolt will also do a number on it.
If the aircraft was hangered and has a good UV block, it should be good to go as far as strength is concerned.
The first airplane I built, the US, was stored outside in a cow pasture for one year and six months. I was more concerned with flying than building a hanger, so the hanger never got built. When I built the FS, I made myself finish the hanger before I flew the FS. Only way to get the job done back then. I had the US fabric tested by the Director of the Home Economics Department, Florida State University, only because her husband was our friend and also an aircraft home builder/flyer. She had the machine to pull test the fabric. I still have the samples and the results stuffed in a hole around hauck's holler somewhere. The test was done around 1986. Fabric samples on top of the wing tested at the same level as sample from the bottom of the wing. Fabric that had been processed through Aerothane finish paint, but never used on the Ultrastar and kept inside the shop were also tested at a little above the used fabric. We also tested new bare fabric which came out not quite as strong as the processed fabric. All came out well above specs. On the Ultrastar, I used Polytone with the UV block added to the paint, with a clear coat of Aerothane which also had a UV block.
On my Firestar and MKIII I used Polyspray for the UV coat. The MKIII was covered in 1991, and is pushing 22 years of service. The fabric is still serviceable, although some of the paint is weathering, especially on the tail section.
Waiting for the weather to warm up today. Plan to fly back to the BBQ place for lunch. It was closed yesterday. My friend James Tripp will be flying his MKIII also.
It appears to be an original Firestar, with the 5 main rib wings. I have one like it, but mine is about a 1985. What engine does it have? You should probably do a punch test on the fabric to see if it has been affected by aging.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
Original FS, 447 Rotax.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:58 am Post subject: Kolb MK lll |
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" Of course, an occasional washer or bolt will also do a number on it."
Hi Folks:
Hell getting old and slow.
The above should have read, "Of course, an occasional washer or bolt going through the prop will also do a number on it."
Sorry about that.
john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama
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Thanks for that, John. This info will surely be good news for many of us who have not tested our AC skin and have had questions about this issue. This is the kind of stuff that makes this forum invaluable!
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
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Morning Folks:
Thought I was add this as info only from personal experience.
Not to nit-pick, but Polyester Dacron is not affected by age, as much as it is by ultraviolet light and sharp objects. Of course, an occasional washer or bolt will also do a number on it.
If the aircraft was hangered and has a good UV block, it should be good to go as far as strength is concerned.
The first airplane I built, the US, was stored outside in a cow pasture for one year and six months. I was more concerned with flying than building a hanger, so the hanger never got built. When I built the FS, I made myself finish the hanger before I flew the FS. Only way to get the job done back then. I had the US fabric tested by the Director of the Home Economics Department, Florida State University, only because her husband was our friend and also an aircraft home builder/flyer. She had the machine to pull test the fabric. I still have the samples and the results stuffed in a hole around hauck's holler somewhere. The test was done around 1986. Fabric samples on top of the wing tested at the same level as sample from the bottom of the wing. Fabric that had been processed through Aerothane finish paint, but never used on the Ultrastar and kept inside the shop were also tested at a little above the used fabric. We also tested new bare fabric which came out not quite as strong as the processed fabric. All came out well above specs. On the Ultrastar, I used Polytone with the UV block added to the paint, with a clear coat of Aerothane which also had a UV block.
On my Firestar and MKIII I used Polyspray for the UV coat. The MKIII was covered in 1991, and is pushing 22 years of service. The fabric is still serviceable, although some of the paint is weathering, especially on the tail section.
Waiting for the weather to warm up today. Plan to fly back to the BBQ place for lunch. It was closed yesterday. My friend James Tripp will be flying his MKIII also.
It appears to be an original Firestar, with the 5 main rib wings. I have one like it, but mine is about a 1985. What engine does it have? You should probably do a punch test on the fabric to see if it has been affected by aging.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
Original FS, 447 Rotax.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:40 am Post subject: Re: Kolb MK lll |
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It can transform into two seats in tandem?
As the kolb firestar ll
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Dany- The stock Original Firestar is a single seat only. Firestar II is different.
Bill Sullivan
Windsor Locks, Ct.
FS 447
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It can transform into two seats in tandem?
As the kolb firestar ll
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| Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:56 am Post subject: Kolb MK lll |
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No it cannot. This one is strictly a single seat.
Dennis "Skid" Rowe
Mk3, 690L-70, Leechburg, PA
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