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 Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:46 am Post subject: Problems with Tanis engine preservation kit |
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I recently bought the Tanis engine preservation kit to preserve my
Lycoming 0-320 B2B engine with an aftermarket fuel injection system.
The price of the kit seemed excessive, but I was unable to find an
alternative source for the two types of preservative oil.
In addition to the preservative oil, the kit contains four desiccant
plugs, bags of desiccants, and some duct tape.
The Lycoming maintenance bulletin recommends replacing the spark plugs
with desiccant plugs and placing dessicants in the intake and exhaust
passages and sealing them.
The desiccant plugs didn't fit in the spark plug holes, and the kit only
contained three bags of desiccants, when I need five (one for each
exhaust pipe, plus one for the intake manifold.
I was also unable to get the duct tape to stick to the intake manifold
due to a thin coating of oil that had dripped on it when I changed the
oil filter.
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BARRY CHECK 6
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:15 am Post subject: Problems with Tanis engine preservation kit |
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Sorry Charlie... Whoops Alan:
Wish you would have posted your question before going the Tanis route. A waste of money.
Are you 'Pickling' the while the engine is still on the plane and is it outside or in a NON heated hanger?
Desiccant is like the third line of defense - Not the First.
It WILL turn blue with in a week of rainy WX if outside or in a non heated hanger.
The best you can do is get COSMOLINE and spray down the engine and pump it through the engine.
Second best is something like Philips 66 Preservative oil.
Then seal off the exhausts and intake. The better the seal the better the Pickling. Putting a 'D' Bag in does NOTHING. Especially when you can't inspect the bag.
As for the duct tape and oil ... Can't blame Tanis.
SPRAY the preservative oil inside the cylinders, as a minimal action.
Also if you visit the engine about once a month - Make up a Pre-Oiler and pump around the preservative oil. This will do lots in the way of prevention.
How long are you storing the engine for?
Barry
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Alan Barnett <alansbarnett(at)verizon.net (alansbarnett(at)verizon.net)> wrote:
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I recently bought the Tanis engine preservation kit to preserve my
Lycoming 0-320 B2B engine with an aftermarket fuel injection system.
The price of the kit seemed excessive, but I was unable to find an
alternative source for the two types of preservative oil.
In addition to the preservative oil, the kit contains four desiccant
plugs, bags of desiccants, and some duct tape.
The Lycoming maintenance bulletin recommends replacing the spark plugs
with desiccant plugs and placing dessicants in the intake and exhaust
passages and sealing them.
The desiccant plugs didn't fit in the spark plug holes, and the kit only
contained three bags of desiccants, when I need five (one for each
exhaust pipe, plus one for the intake manifold.
I was also unable to get the duct tape to stick to the intake manifold
due to a thin coating of oil that had dripped on it when I changed the
oil filter.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:57 am Post subject: Problems with Tanis engine preservation kit |
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| Quote: | Sorry Charlie... Whoops Alan:
Wish you would have posted your question before going the Tanis route. A waste of money.
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I wish I had also.
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Are you 'Pickling' the while the engine is still on the plane and is it outside or in a NON heated hanger?
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The engine is on the plane, which is in my heated garage with the wings and canard removed. | Quote: |
Desiccant is like the third line of defense - Not the First.
It WILL turn blue with in a week of rainy WX if outside or in a non heated hanger.
The best you can do is get COSMOLINE and spray down the engine and pump it through the engine.
Second best is something like Philips 66 Preservative oil.
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I did that. I also ran the engine to get the oil temp up to 180 degrees.
| Quote: | Then seal off the exhausts and intake. The better the seal the better the Pickling. Putting a 'D' Bag in does NOTHING. Especially when you can't inspect the bag.
As for the duct tape and oil ... Can't blame Tanis.
SPRAY the preservative oil inside the cylinders, as a minimal action.
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Done.
| Quote: | Also if you visit the engine about once a month - Make up a Pre-Oiler and pump around the preservative oil.
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I can visit the engine every day. Can you point me to info on making and using a pre-oiler?
| Quote: | This will do lots in the way of prevention.
How long are you storing the engine for?
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About 5 months. I'm upgrading the panel, and I hope to have it completed by spring.
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Barry
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Alan Barnett <alansbarnett(at)verizon.net (alansbarnett(at)verizon.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> LycomingEngines-List message posted by: Alan Barnett <alansbarnett(at)verizon.net (alansbarnett(at)verizon.net)>
I recently bought the Tanis engine preservation kit to preserve my
Lycoming 0-320 B2B engine with an aftermarket fuel injection system.
The price of the kit seemed excessive, but I was unable to find an
alternative source for the two types of preservative oil.
In addition to the preservative oil, the kit contains four desiccant
plugs, bags of desiccants, and some duct tape.
The Lycoming maintenance bulletin recommends replacing the spark plugs
with desiccant plugs and placing dessicants in the intake and exhaust
passages and sealing them.
The desiccant plugs didn't fit in the spark plug holes, and the kit only
contained three bags of desiccants, when I need five (one for each
exhaust pipe, plus one for the intake manifold.
I was also unable to get the duct tape to stick to the intake manifold
due to a thin coating of oil that had dripped on it when I changed the
oil filter.
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BARRY CHECK 6
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:45 pm Post subject: Problems with Tanis engine preservation kit |
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Alan:
Here is a picture of a very simple Pre-Oiler that I made. Cost, less than $20. $40 if you consider the cost of a air pump.
The top is screwed off to pour in the oil. (1 Qt)
Then it is pressurized to 100 - 125 PSI
Plug the Engine with a cap.
The end of the clear plastic tube is connected to the IN side of the oil cooler
and -
Then plug the oil cooler with the cap.
Then connect to the OUT side of the engine.
This will squirt the oil around at the same pressure ans a running engine.
Drain (1 Qt) from the bottom of the sump and reuse it.
I have used this method 4 times so far and the engine looks great when inspected with a bore scope. Mater of fact - THIS is more oil saturation than most planes get in two or three months... Think of it this way: Look at the planes on the field. How many of them do you see flying? So this type of oiling is very good for your plane.
Barry
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Alan Barnett <alansbarnett(at)verizon.net (alansbarnett(at)verizon.net)> wrote:
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| Quote: | Sorry Charlie... Whoops Alan:
Wish you would have posted your question before going the Tanis route. A waste of money.
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I wish I had also.
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Are you 'Pickling' the while the engine is still on the plane and is it outside or in a NON heated hanger?
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The engine is on the plane, which is in my heated garage with the wings and canard removed. | Quote: |
Desiccant is like the third line of defense - Not the First.
It WILL turn blue with in a week of rainy WX if outside or in a non heated hanger.
The best you can do is get COSMOLINE and spray down the engine and pump it through the engine.
Second best is something like Philips 66 Preservative oil.
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I did that. I also ran the engine to get the oil temp up to 180 degrees.
| Quote: | Then seal off the exhausts and intake. The better the seal the better the Pickling. Putting a 'D' Bag in does NOTHING. Especially when you can't inspect the bag.
As for the duct tape and oil ... Can't blame Tanis.
SPRAY the preservative oil inside the cylinders, as a minimal action.
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Done.
| Quote: | Also if you visit the engine about once a month - Make up a Pre-Oiler and pump around the preservative oil.
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I can visit the engine every day. Can you point me to info on making and using a pre-oiler?
| Quote: | This will do lots in the way of prevention.
How long are you storing the engine for?
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About 5 months. I'm upgrading the panel, and I hope to have it completed by spring.
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Barry
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Alan Barnett <alansbarnett(at)verizon.net (alansbarnett(at)verizon.net)> wrote:
| Quote: | --> LycomingEngines-List message posted by: Alan Barnett <alansbarnett(at)verizon.net (alansbarnett(at)verizon.net)>
I recently bought the Tanis engine preservation kit to preserve my
Lycoming 0-320 B2B engine with an aftermarket fuel injection system.
The price of the kit seemed excessive, but I was unable to find an
alternative source for the two types of preservative oil.
In addition to the preservative oil, the kit contains four desiccant
plugs, bags of desiccants, and some duct tape.
The Lycoming maintenance bulletin recommends replacing the spark plugs
with desiccant plugs and placing dessicants in the intake and exhaust
passages and sealing them.
The desiccant plugs didn't fit in the spark plug holes, and the kit only
contained three bags of desiccants, when I need five (one for each
exhaust pipe, plus one for the intake manifold.
I was also unable to get the duct tape to stick to the intake manifold
due to a thin coating of oil that had dripped on it when I changed the
oil filter.
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eschlanser
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Problems with Tanis engine preservation kit |
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Barry,
Maybe it's only me as I have a hard time following directions (just ask my wife) but I can't follow the IN's and OUT's of where to plug what in order to hook up your clever pre oiler. Can you try again to explain the hook up? Slowly this time, please.
Eric - O-320 preserved in SW Michigan.
ps - Do you have a picture of it hooked up to the engine?
quote="BARRY CHECK 6"]Alan:
Plug the Engine with a cap.
The end of the clear plastic tube is connected to the IN side of the oil cooler
and -
Then plug the oil cooler with the cap.
Then connect to the OUT side of the engine.
Barry
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:28 pm Post subject: Problems with Tanis engine preservation kit |
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Barry:
When you disconnect ONE side of the oil cooler you will have a Male fitting on the oil cooler and a hose...
Now disconnect the hose.
You now have a Male fitting on the engine.
You will need a CAP (usually an ANxxx-6) CAP
Now, on the Pre-Oiler you will have a hose/tube - It will require a Female ANxxx-6 fitting to fit on the Oil Cooler and on the engine.
Fill the Pre-Oiler with 1 Qt of oil.
Connect the hose/tube to the Oil Cooler
Put the CAP on the engine fitting.
Pressurize the Pre-Oiler to 125 PSI with air.
Leave the air hooked up and running.
Open the valve on the Pre-Oiler.
BAM - You just squirted oil through the engine.
NOW!
Shut off the Pre-Oiler.
Disconnect the air.
Remove the CAP from the Engine.
Remove the hose/tube from the Oil Cooler.
Put the CAP on the Oil Cooler.
Connect the hose/tube to the Engine.
Put 1 Qt of oil in the Pre-Oiler.
Pressurize the Pre-Oiler to 125 PSI with air.
Leave the air hooked up and running.
Open the valve on the Pre-Oiler.
BAM - You just squirted oil through the engine IN OPPOSITE DIRECTION - GREAT!
BAM - You are DONE
Hope this makes sense - If not, let me know and I'll try again.
Barry
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Barry,
Maybe it's only me as I have a hard time following directions (just ask my wife) but I can't follow the IN's and OUT's of where to plug what in order to hook up your clever pre oiler. Can you try again to explain the hook up? Slowly this time, please.
Eric - O-320 preserved in SW Michigan.
ps - Do you have a picture of it hooked up to the engine?
quote="BARRY CHECK 6"]Alan:
Plug the Engine with a cap.
The end of the clear plastic tube is connected to the IN side of the oil cooler
and -
Then plug the oil cooler with the cap.
Then connect to the OUT side of the engine.
Barry
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Problems with Tanis engine preservation kit |
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Barry,
That should do it. I am eager to give it a try.
Thank you,
Eric
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