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n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
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 Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:05 pm Post subject: KitFox Radial |
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Does anyone know what happened to the KitFox SuperSport with the radial? Saw a picture from Oshkosh this year with the same paint job and same N number but with a conventional cowling. Obviously the engine was removed and replaced. Anyone know why? I really liked the look of the radial on it, did it not perform well??
Just wondering...,
-Mike
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Paul A. Franz, P.E.
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Location: Bellevue WA
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:05 pm Post subject: KitFox Radial |
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On Thu, August 4, 2011 3:02 pm, Michael Kraus wrote:
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Does anyone know what happened to the KitFox SuperSport with the radial? Saw a
picture from Oshkosh this year with the same paint job and same N number but with a
conventional cowling. Obviously the engine was removed and replaced. Anyone know
why? I really liked the look of the radial on it, did it not perform well??
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What is that N number? Easy enough to look up who owns it and give them a call.
I'd like to hear what happened too.
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Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:30 pm Post subject: KitFox Radial |
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N12KA.... Attached is a picture of it from Osh. It's the same N number as the radial KitFox that was in Kitplanes magazine this past year.....
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On Aug 4, 2011, at 8:02 PM, "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul(at)eucleides.com> wrote:
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On Thu, August 4, 2011 3:02 pm, Michael Kraus wrote:
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> Does anyone know what happened to the KitFox SuperSport with the radial? Saw a
> picture from Oshkosh this year with the same paint job and same N number but with a
> conventional cowling. Obviously the engine was removed and replaced. Anyone know
> why? I really liked the look of the radial on it, did it not perform well??
What is that N number? Easy enough to look up who owns it and give them a call.
I'd like to hear what happened too.
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Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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Paul A. Franz, P.E.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:02 pm Post subject: KitFox Radial |
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On Thu, August 4, 2011 5:26 pm, Michael Kraus wrote:
| Quote: | N12KA.... Attached is a picture of it from Osh. It's the same N number as the radial
KitFox that was in Kitplanes magazine this past year.....
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surprise surprise!
N-number : N12KA
Aircraft Serial Number : KA0706003
Aircraft Manufacturer : MCBEAN JOHN
Model : KITFOX SUPER SPORT
Engine Manufacturer : AMA/EXPR
Model : UNKNOWN ENG
Aircraft Year : 2010
Owner Name : MCBEAN JOHN B
Owner Address : PO BOX 997
HOMEDALE, ID, 83628-0997
Type of Owner : Co-ownership
Registration Date : 24-May-2010
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
Approved Operations : Amateur Built
I don't know why I didn't remember that. I sure remember the photos.
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On Aug 4, 2011, at 8:02 PM, "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul(at)eucleides.com> wrote:
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> On Thu, August 4, 2011 3:02 pm, Michael Kraus wrote:
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>> Does anyone know what happened to the KitFox SuperSport with the radial? Saw a
>> picture from Oshkosh this year with the same paint job and same N number but with a
>> conventional cowling. Obviously the engine was removed and replaced. Anyone know
>> why? I really liked the look of the radial on it, did it not perform well??
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> What is that N number? Easy enough to look up who owns it and give them a call.
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> I'd like to hear what happened too.
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PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:16 pm Post subject: KitFox Radial |
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But why did they swap out the radial??
-Mike Kraus
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On Aug 4, 2011, at 9:59 PM, "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul(at)eucleides.com> wrote:
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On Thu, August 4, 2011 5:26 pm, Michael Kraus wrote:
> N12KA.... Attached is a picture of it from Osh. It's the same N number as the radial
> KitFox that was in Kitplanes magazine this past year.....
surprise surprise!
N-number : N12KA
Aircraft Serial Number : KA0706003
Aircraft Manufacturer : MCBEAN JOHN
Model : KITFOX SUPER SPORT
Engine Manufacturer : AMA/EXPR
Model : UNKNOWN ENG
Aircraft Year : 2010
Owner Name : MCBEAN JOHN B
Owner Address : PO BOX 997
HOMEDALE, ID, 83628-0997
Type of Owner : Co-ownership
Registration Date : 24-May-2010
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
Approved Operations : Amateur Built
I don't know why I didn't remember that. I sure remember the photos.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 4, 2011, at 8:02 PM, "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul(at)eucleides.com> wrote:
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>> On Thu, August 4, 2011 3:02 pm, Michael Kraus wrote:
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>>> Does anyone know what happened to the KitFox SuperSport with the radial? Saw a
>>> picture from Oshkosh this year with the same paint job and same N number but with a
>>> conventional cowling. Obviously the engine was removed and replaced. Anyone know
>>> why? I really liked the look of the radial on it, did it not perform well??
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>> What is that N number? Easy enough to look up who owns it and give them a call.
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>> I'd like to hear what happened too.
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Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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Paul A. Franz, P.E.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:55 pm Post subject: KitFox Radial |
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On Thu, August 4, 2011 7:13 pm, Michael Kraus wrote:
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But why did they swap out the radial??
-Mike Kraus
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I don't know - let's ask him.
John,
How about telling us about the history of the radial in your KF? Any reason in
particular that you've apparently changed it out?
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Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 4, 2011, at 9:59 PM, "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul(at)eucleides.com> wrote:
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> On Thu, August 4, 2011 5:26 pm, Michael Kraus wrote:
>> N12KA.... Attached is a picture of it from Osh. It's the same N number as the
>> radial
>> KitFox that was in Kitplanes magazine this past year.....
>
> surprise surprise!
>
> N-number : N12KA
> Aircraft Serial Number : KA0706003
> Aircraft Manufacturer : MCBEAN JOHN
> Model : KITFOX SUPER SPORT
> Engine Manufacturer : AMA/EXPR
> Model : UNKNOWN ENG
> Aircraft Year : 2010
> Owner Name : MCBEAN JOHN B
> Owner Address : PO BOX 997
> HOMEDALE, ID, 83628-0997
> Type of Owner : Co-ownership
> Registration Date : 24-May-2010
> Airworthiness Certificate Type : Experimental
> Approved Operations : Amateur Built
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> I don't know why I didn't remember that. I sure remember the photos.
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Aug 4, 2011, at 8:02 PM, "Paul A. Franz, P.E." <paul(at)eucleides.com> wrote:
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>>> On Thu, August 4, 2011 3:02 pm, Michael Kraus wrote:
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>>>> Does anyone know what happened to the KitFox SuperSport with the radial? Saw a
>>>> picture from Oshkosh this year with the same paint job and same N number but with
>>>> a
>>>> conventional cowling. Obviously the engine was removed and replaced. Anyone
>>>> know
>>>> why? I really liked the look of the radial on it, did it not perform well??
>>>
>>> What is that N number? Easy enough to look up who owns it and give them a call.
>>>
>>> I'd like to hear what happened too.
>
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PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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Av8r3400
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 5:09 am Post subject: Re: KitFox Radial |
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John told me that it served it's purpose as an advertizing bed and they moved on. Lycoming offered the 233 motor to test and they went ahead with that.
Unconfirmed stories are that the radial was not reliable or a good performer.
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Paul A. Franz, P.E.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 9:34 am Post subject: KitFox Radial |
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On Fri, August 5, 2011 6:09 am, Av8r3400 wrote:
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John told me that it served it's purpose as an advertizing bed and they moved on.
Lycoming offered the 233 motor to test and they went ahead with that.
Unconfirmed stories are that the radial was not reliable or a good performer.
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No doubt about it, it's a beautiful installation and airplane. I hope they make a profit.
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Paul A. Franz, P.E.
PAF Consulting Engineers
Office 425.440.9505
Cell 425.241.1618
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Paul A. Franz, P.E.
Registration/Aircraft - N14UW/Merlin GT
Engine/Prop - Rotax 914/NSI CAP
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jdmcbean(at)kitfoxaircraf
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:02 pm Post subject: KitFox Radial |
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You are correct about the Lycoming... but your unconfirmed reports are
false.
We worked a deal out with Rotec Radial to install the R2800.. Let's face it,
the radial is a great look on the Kitfox ! So we developed a complete S7SS
firewall forward for the R2800 and it is available and several have been
sold. We never did get a chance to test different props and the Sensenich
prop we had was not the perfect fit but Sensenich now has a prop they claim
to be the correct one. We flew it to and from Oshkosh last year and I'm
certain that with the correct prop we could get over 1000 fpm climbs and
cruise speeds of 115-120 TAS. We did have some issues early on with the
throttle body and we changed to the Bing. I believe Rotec has resolved the
issue but we never re-installed the throttle body. Fuel burn increased
some... approximately 6.5 - 7GPH.
As many know we are an OEM for Rotax, Lycoming, and Continental. We have
been working with Lycoming since 2008 when they introduced the 233 to
possibly install it as an option on the Kitfox S-LSA aircraft. As we all
know the 233 lagged. This summer Lycoming said we would have the first of
"X" engines off the production line for testing and we committed to trying
to get it to Oshkosh on a FLYING aircraft. We are the first flying the new
engine complete as delivered from Lycoming with their new electronic
ignition. We are extremely busy with kit orders and S-LSA orders and simply
did not have enough time or free resources to build a new aircraft. Not
wanting to miss the opportunity we decided to pull the Radial and install
the Lycoming. The Lycoming powered Kitfox was front row center stage in
front of the Lycoming booth at Oshkosh.
Fly Safe !!
John McBean
Ph 208.337.5111
www.kitfoxaircraft.com
"The Sky is not the Limit... It's a Playground"
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