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		cloudcraft(at)aol.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:00 am    Post subject: Commander Spotting KGRR | 
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				Sir Barry,
  
  Since your recent post about the lack of Commander spotting going on, I've made it my early New Year's resolution to improve that area of my life.
  
  This pair of John Towner's fleet were spotted in Grand Rapids, Michicgan (KGRR) yesterday while I was on a short stand-by.
  
  I did not have my camera with me and took these with my Garmin 550t GPS I use for geocaching -- so the close-ups of the data plates are not of the quality I would have wanted.
  
  Featured on these two 500Bs are TKS anti-ice systems for wing and tail and my favorite scheme for fuel vent anti-icing.
  
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		barry.collman(at)air-brit Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:17 pm    Post subject: Commander Spotting KGRR | 
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				Hi Keith,
  
 I’m really grateful to you for the shots of two of John’s Commanders, especially the s/n plates as I’m trying to build up a collection of these in order to get the Manufacturer’s Aircraft Association’s 6-digit s/n plate numbers.
  
 Photography using a Garmin 550t GPS?
 What on earth will be next I ask!?!
  
 Really great to hear from you again.
  
 Very Best Regards,
 Barry
  
 From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S. Gordon
 Sent: 11 December 2010 17:58
 To: commander-list(at)matronics.com
 Subject: Commander Spotting KGRR
  
 Sir Barry,
 
 Since your recent post about the lack of Commander spotting going on, I've made it my early New Year's resolution to improve that area of my life.
 
 This pair of John Towner's fleet were spotted in Grand Rapids, Michicgan (KGRR) yesterday while I was on a short stand-by.
 
 I did not have my camera with me and took these with my Garmin 550t GPS I use for geocaching -- so the close-ups of the data plates are not of the quality I would have wanted.
 
 Featured on these two 500Bs are TKS anti-ice systems for wing and tail and my favorite scheme for fuel vent anti-icing.
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 Wing Commander Gordon
 
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				 Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:26 pm    Post subject: Commander Spotting KGRR | 
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				 	  | Quote: | 	 		    Photography using a Garmin 550t GPS?
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      I know.  It's getting ridiculous. Cameras are built into everything now.  Maybe that's good, but I have my concerns! 
  
  Knowing you as I do, I made the data plates a priority.  Too bad the lighting was so flat and dim in the gray overcast yesterday.  My digital camera (that has a built in camera) is on the charger and will go into my flight bag for the next trip.
  
  Best,
  
  Wing Commander Gordon
   
      
   
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		barry.collman(at)air-brit Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:43 pm    Post subject: Commander Spotting KGRR | 
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				Hi Keith,
  
 The quality of the s/n plates shots were OK!
 So long as I can read the aircraft s/n and the 6-digit number at the foot of the plate – that’s all I need.
  
 Very Best Regards,
 Barry
  
 From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keith S. Gordon
 Sent: 11 December 2010 20:24
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 Photography using a Garmin 550t GPS?
 
 What on earth will be next I ask!?!
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 I know.  It's getting ridiculous. Cameras are built into everything now.  Maybe that's good, but I have my concerns! 
 
 Knowing you as I do, I made the data plates a priority.  Too bad the lighting was so flat and dim in the gray overcast yesterday.  My digital camera (that has a built in camera) is on the charger and will go into my flight bag for the next trip.
 
 Best,
 
 Wing Commander Gordon
 
  
 
 Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere.
 NBAA Access Committee
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 Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work Group, NBAA Rep
 Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA Rep
 
  
 
  
 
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		moe-rosspistons(at)hotmai Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:11 pm    Post subject: Commander Spotting KGRR | 
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				Hmmmmm, cameras in the GPS, something  more to be cautious of, and my greatest fear has been the guy in my gym locker  room who always seems to be on his cell phone.
   
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   From: Keith S. Gordon (cloudcraft(at)aol.com) 
  Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:23 PM
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  I know.  It's getting ridiculous.  Cameras are built into everything now.  Maybe that's good, but I have my  concerns! 
 
 Knowing you as I do, I made the data plates a priority.   Too bad the lighting was so flat and dim in the gray overcast yesterday.   My digital camera (that has a built in camera) is on the charger and will go  into my flight bag for the next trip.
 
 Best,
 
 Wing Commander  Gordon
 
  
 
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 Las  Vegas Airspace Users' Council, NBAA Rep
 Las Vegas RNAV Optimization Work  Group, NBAA Rep
 Las Vegas Class B Redesign Committee, NBAA  Rep
  
 
  
 
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 From: Barry Collman  <barry.collman(at)air-britain.co.uk>
 To:  commander-list(at)matronics.com
 Sent: Sat, Dec 11, 2010 12:13 pm
 Subject: RE:  Commander Spotting KGRR
 
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  I’m really grateful  to you for the shots of two of John’s Commanders, especially the s/n plates as  I’m trying to build up a collection of these in order to get the Manufacturer’s  Aircraft Association’s 6-digit s/n plate numbers.
   
  Photography using a  Garmin 550t GPS?
  What on earth will  be next I ask!?!
   
  Really great to  hear from you again.
   
  Very Best  Regards,
  Barry
   
   
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:19 am    Post subject: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR | 
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				Barry,
 
 There's a Commander 680 sitting at the Frederick airport in Maryland that's been parked on the ramp for a number of years and hasn't moved. Next time I'm over there I'll try and get photos for you..
 
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				 Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:43 am    Post subject: Commander Spotting KGRR | 
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				Hi Cate!
 
 It's possibly N790K, which is s/n 680-393-73 and has been with the Frederick
 Community College since May 2000.
 
 There's a photo of it on myaviation.net, but a better one will always be
 most welcome!
 
 Best Regards,
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				 Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:58 am    Post subject: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR | 
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				Hi Barry,
 
 Yep, I think that's it. It just sits there though I did think I saw someone doing something to it last year. I will try and get some shots next spring when I'm over there again. 
 I had a bad run with a fanatical FAA inspector there last summer and he grounded my 680E, N4278S basically for a ratty paint job and bad de-ice boots after he tore the patches off the boots. It was touch and go getting a ferry permit. Luckily he was off the day I got one issued by another inspector. It's now got new boots and Queen Air props (courtesy Jim Metzger) and is flying again. When the props didn't pass I was worried because at $30,000 per prop she would have been grounded...
 
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				 Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:29 am    Post subject: Commander Spotting KGRR | 
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				HI CATE,Good to have you back!!  Merry Christmas!!  Hope the Commander is working well.  jb
  
    
  
  
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				 Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:58 am    Post subject: Re: Commander Spotting KGRR | 
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				Hi Jim,
 
 It's good to be back. It was challenging (to say the least at times) but fun flying that Air ambulance into the back country of Guyana and HOT! 
 Thanks for all your help in getting my 680E flying again. I flew it 10 days ago from Tiffin to Dayton (MGY, but not Commander Aero) for it's annual. Flew great.
 
 Merry Christmas and a happy New year to you and Sue!
 
 Cate
 
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