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slyck(at)frontiernet.net
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:44 pm Post subject: Dangerous or just scary

oooooh,   better not let the prozac lapse again.



do not archive

On 25, Apr 2006, at 4:04 PM, planecrazzzy wrote:



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 When "I" was asking about this "one" nicco BULLSHIT...



  IT WAS ABOUT SAFETY.....But it got SWITCHED around about critisizing 

 your CRAFTSMANSHIP



  Which I NEVER did....



 At one time I didn't give a FUCK....



 Now I'm a Pilot...



 And I don't give a FLYING FUCK....



  KMA- Duane the PLAIN



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dhkey(at)msn.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject: Dangerous or just scary

famous again!! usually takes a month or so to get famous again huh?



From:  "Jeremy Casey" <n79rt(at)kilocharlie.us>

Reply-To:  kolb-list(at)matronics.com

To:  <kolb-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject:  RE: Re: Dangerous or just scary

Date:  Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:55:51 -0400

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  KMA- Duane the PLAIN



<SNIP>



Ahhhh, there is that eloquence you are so famous for...wondered how long

till that came out.



Jeremy "had my mouth washed out long time ago" Casey

DAquaNut(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject: Dangerous or just scary

In a message dated 4/25/2006 9:28:51 A.M. Central Standard Time,  

NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net writes:



My  personal rule is don't change the structural design of your airplane  

unless you KNOW you are making a overall improvement. Even then it is a  good 

idea to check with the designer or someone else that DOES KNOW about  these 

things.



Be careful out there.



Again this advice is  worth what you paid for it.



Rick Neilsen

Redrive VW powered MKIIIc  





Rick,

     This Is some of the most useful advice I have seen  on this list!!!!!

 

                      Ed Diebel   Firefly # 62

beauford(at)tampabay.rr.c
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject: Dangerous or just scary

Same here, Mike.... well...  "BOOOM" .....  You're blocked at my

house....

Whatever,

Go Fly...

Beauford



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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: Dangerous or just scary

The builders manual that came with the MKIII and the FSII both specify 2 

nicos per end of each cable.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)



DAquaNut(at)aol.com wrote:

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 In a message dated 4/25/2006 9:28:51 A.M. Central Standard Time,  

 NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net writes:



 My  personal rule is don't change the structural design of your airplane  

 unless you KNOW you are making a overall improvement. Even then it is a  good 

 idea to check with the designer or someone else that DOES KNOW about  these 

 things.



 Be careful out there.



 Again this advice is  worth what you paid for it.



 Rick Neilsen

 Redrive VW powered MKIIIc  





 Rick,

      This Is some of the most useful advice I have seen  on this list!!!!!

  

                       Ed Diebel   Firefly # 62

_________________
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0

Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.

Denny Rowe

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 89
Location: Leechburg, PA

Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: Dangerous or just scary

Did I mention how much I like your dog?

Duane is a good guy also.

Denny

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ul15rhb(at)juno.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:19 pm Post subject: Dangerous or just scary

Rick and others,



My elevator and rudder cables are the originals and have never been changed in 19 years. I used to inspect them every year, then it was every 2 years, then every 5 years. Every time, they are perfect with no detectable wear. I have untwisted them where they go around the pulley with all strands intact.



Ralph

Original Firestar

19 years flying with 2 nicros at each end

-- "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net> wrote:




We need to move on to new things but...



In a previous post I talked about some backyard engineers changing things to 

make something stronger but in fact creating weakness. I checked out a 

MKIIIc last summer were the builder had changed the control wires for the 

elevator from stock to what looked like 1/4 - 5/16 galvanized steel cables. 

I don't remember if any of the fittings on this control system were beefed 

up, I don't think so. My comment at the time was wow you must get some major 

cable slap.



Now that I think more about this, I feel that this is a good example of us 

backyard engineers trying to make something stronger but actually making it 

weaker. The stock cables are plenty strong. Seems like someone stated that 

they are rated at 480lbs. By increasing the size of the cables they fixed 

some thing that wasn't broken. By increasing the size of the cables they 

added weight. More importantly this weight has to be carried by pulling the 

cables with considerably more force than is necessary to keep the lighter 

cables suspended in the fuselage tube. When they taxi on rough ground the 

stress on the control system goes up big time. The control system is only as 

strong as its weakest link and the cables were likely never the weakest link 

(but I'm not a structural engineer). My point is this added stress could 

cause a critical control system failure just by having to carry the added 

stretched cable weight.



My personal rule is don't change the structural design of your airplane 

unless you KNOW you are making a overall improvement. Even then it is a good 

idea to check with the designer or someone else that DOES KNOW about these 

things.



Be careful out there.



Again this advice is worth what you paid for it.



Rick Neilsen

Redrive VW powered MKIIIc 

 

 

 

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DAquaNut(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject: Dangerous or just scary

In a message dated 4/25/2006 6:47:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,  

richard(at)bcchapel.org writes:

The  builders manual that came with the MKIII and the FSII both specify 2 

nicos  per end of each cable.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P  (420ldPoops)





Richard,

  My Firefly quickbuild kit came that way from factory. So far so  good.

 

                Ed           Firefly #  62

Rex Rodebush

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 209
Location: Branson West area, Missouri

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:24 am Post subject: Dangerous or just scary

Wanted to add some information on nicos before this thing totally blows

up!



The first time I used the small "bolt on each side" nico compressor tool

the nicos came out lopsided.  Turned out the top and bottom halfs of the

clamp were not aligned.  The top and bottom of the holes were shifted at

the center line.  I bought another tool thru Aircraft Spruce and the

holes were perfectly centered.  The nicos came out looking like they

were supposed to with a good fit on the go-no go gage.  I don't remember

where I got the first tool.



I also used two nicos per the plans. Sorry if I offend.



Rex Rodebush

pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:46 am Post subject: Dangerous or just scary

<<this added stress could cause a critical control system failure just by 

having to carry the added stretched cable weight.>>



Hi Rick,



not to mention the fact that if the diameter of the cables had been 

increased then then the diameter of the pulleys should have been increased 

also.



Good advice. Dont fix it unless you are aware of the ramifications, 

especially if it aint broke !



Cheers



Pat



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