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roberthatton1(at)googlema
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:53 am Post subject: outrigger wheels

Hello Fred,

  

 I know this is an old thread, but did you go with these wheels and if so, what did you think? I am about to replace mine and I too am looking for a better outrigger wheel.

  

 Rob

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 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com (fklein(at)orcasonline.com)> wrote:

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		    Guys...I've been looking into substitutes for the kit-provided outrigger wheel, and thought I'd found the answer with a Colson Performa wheel which comes w/ sealed ball bearings. After Kingsley acquainted me w/ the distinction between "sealed ball bearings" and "maintenance-free precision ball bearings" I found the following in the McMaster catalogue (I hope the text and graphics gets thru the matronics server). This "Easy-Roll Rubber-Tread Wheel" (McMaster part # 2439T42) which comes with "maintenance-free precision ball bearings" has a ridiculous low price of $7.81. I've queried McMaster, and they confirm that yes, it does come w/ these bearings. I'm wondering if anyone has tried them and can comment on their performance.  



 Or...has anyone found the ultimate outrigger wheel?

 



 Fred



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        Easy-Roll Rubber-Tread Wheels            [img]cid:1C81C9C3-3FEC-427E-BA07-FF2EEDF7E7FF[/img]    3 1/2" to 6" Dia.

 

      [img]cid:B7A55908-0BAA-4E6A-A009-E4BADA0E7EEA[/img]    8" to 10" Dia.



      Blue rubber on nylon core 
Durometer is 70A

 
Temperature range is -40° to +200° F

     Resilient rubber tread rebounds quickly, so you can roll and turn easily on most surfaces. The maintenance-free precision ball bearings require minimal effort to get these wheels rolling.

 

        Wheel Size,  For Axle  Hub  Cap. Ea.,     Dia. x Wd.  Dia.  Lg.  lbs.   Each    3 1/2" x 1 1/4"   3/8"  1 5/8"  225     2439T41  $7.10   4" x 1 1/4"   3/8"  1 5/8"  250     2439T42  7.81

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fklein(at)orcasonline.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:02 pm Post subject: outrigger wheels

On Mar 31, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Robert Hatton wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   I know this is an old thread, but did you go with these wheels and  

 if so, what did you think?


	


Rob,



No I did not...as w/ so many aspects of our passion, there is a whole  

world, if not a universe, to be explored w/ respect to wheels and  

bearings, in particular the distinction between bearing types (seems  

there are varying grades of "precision").



I ended up with the following, purchased online at www.skates.com:



2 - 100 mm inline skate wheels w/ ABEC 5 bearings (installed); these  

wheels, weighing 0.6 pounds each, somewhat harder (82 durometer) than  

the Colson wheels (65 durometer) but resilient nonetheless, are fine  

silent spinners, noticeably quieter, and much easier to spin up, much  

longer running than wheels w/ non-precision bearings.



4 - ABEC 9 bearings which can be substituted for the ABEC 5s...the  

best bearings I could find short of going to ceramics.



8 - aluminum 8 mm spacers...4 of each of two types...potentially  

useful when installing the wheels on the Europa forks...to center the  

wheels on the forks will require shortening of the spacers.



A hint at how these bearings are removed and changed: Insert one of  

the spacers w/ the reducers on each end into the installed wheel  

bearing...gently "rock" the bearing from side to side...they will move  

outward from the wheel hub in small increments...work patiently, and  

they will then "pop out". This technique was recommended by the wheel  

sellers and I've found that it does in fact work, though patience is  

key.



Enjoy,



Fred



PS:  ZERO FLIGHT EXPERIENCE OR TESTING !!

acrojim7534(at)YAHOO.COM
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:49 pm Post subject: outrigger wheels

I'm on my second set of the Performa wheels, and I have nothing but good to say..

  

 I fly off paved runway's 99 % of the time, The bearings are needle bearings, they are full length in the hub. Much more robust than the wheels with ball bearings on each side of the wheel...

  

 Grease the bearing when you install the wheel, and they will be good to next annual.... The wheel will wear out before  the bearings do, on paved runways...

  

 Jim Brown

 Monowheel N398JB



 

   From: Robert Hatton <roberthatton1(at)googlemail.com>

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 2:51:28 PM

Subject: Re: outrigger wheels



 Hello Fred,

  

 I know this is an old thread, but did you go with these wheels and if so, what did you think? I am about to replace mine and I too am looking for a better outrigger wheel.

  

 Rob

 A128

 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com (fklein(at)orcasonline.com)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		    Guys...I've been looking into substitutes for the kit-provided outrigger wheel, and thought I'd found the answer with a Colson Performa wheel which comes w/ sealed ball bearings. After Kingsley acquainted me w/ the distinction between "sealed ball bearings" and "maintenance-free precision ball bearings" I found the following in the McMaster catalogue (I hope the text and graphics gets thru the matronics server). This "Easy-Roll Rubber-Tread Wheel" (McMaster part # 2439T42) which comes with "maintenance-free precision ball bearings" has a ridiculous low price of $7.81. I've queried McMaster, and they confirm that yes, it does come w/ these bearings. I'm wondering if anyone has tried them and can comment on their performance.  



 Or...has anyone found the ultimate outrigger wheel?

 



 Fred



 A194



        Easy-Roll Rubber-Tread Wheels            [img]cid:1.3654932008(at)web45006.mail.sp1.yahoo.com[/img]   3 1/2" to 6" Dia.



      [img]cid:2.3654932008(at)web45006.mail.sp1.yahoo.com[/img]   8" to 10" Dia.



     Blue rubber on nylon core 
Durometer is 70A

 
Temperature range is -40° to +200° F

     Resilient rubber tread rebounds quickly, so you can roll and turn easily on most surfaces. The maintenance-free precision ball bearings require minimal effort to get these wheels rolling.



        Wheel Size, For Axle Hub Cap. Ea.,    Dia. x Wd. Dia. Lg. lbs. Each    3 1/2" x 1 1/4"  3/8" 1 5/8" 225     2439T41 $7.10  4" x 1 1/4"  3/8" 1 5/8" 250     2439T42 7.81

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fklein(at)orcasonline.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:45 pm Post subject: outrigger wheels

Jim...nuthin like an endorsement by someone who's had some real experience...thanks for your comment..I'll hang onto my set of Performa wheels...just in case.



From my armchair, I got to thinkin about those wheels...after ordering a set of Performas, by chance I happened to notice that it's the same wheel used on the carts at Costco, a use where robustness and maintenance (and cost) were doubtless considered.  Still, the forward speed for those carts can't be more than 2 mph, and at the time I believe I figured that our outriggers were spin up to approx. 5000 rpm at TO and landing speeds if memory serves...a very different performance environment...that realization made me look further. 

I do know of two mono drivers who swear by their skate wheels...so there's doubtless more than one way to skin this cat...

Fred

A194

still a'buildin



On Mar 31, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  I'm on my second set of the Performa wheels, and I have nothing but good to say..

 

I fly off paved runway's 99 % of the time, The bearings are needle bearings, they are full length in the hub. Much more robust than the wheels with ball bearings on each side of the wheel...

 

Grease the bearing when you install the wheel, and they will be good to next annual.... The wheel will wear out before  the bearings do, on paved runways...

 

Jim Brown

Monowheel N398JB

From: Robert Hatton <roberthatton1(at)googlemail.com (roberthatton1(at)googlemail.com)>

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)

Sent: Wed, March 31, 2010 2:51:28 PM

Subject: Re: outrigger wheels



Hello Fred,

 

I know this is an old thread, but did you go with these wheels and if so, what did you think? I am about to replace mine and I too am looking for a better outrigger wheel.

 

Rob

A128

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Fred Klein <fklein(at)orcasonline.com (fklein(at)orcasonline.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Guys...I've been looking into substitutes for the kit-provided outrigger wheel, and thought I'd found the answer with a Colson Performa wheel which comes w/ sealed ball bearings. After Kingsley acquainted me w/ the distinction between "sealed ball bearings" and "maintenance-free precision ball bearings" I found the following in the McMaster catalogue (I hope the text and graphics gets thru the matronics server). This "Easy-Roll Rubber-Tread Wheel" (McMaster part # 2439T42) which comes with "maintenance-free precision ball bearings" has a ridiculous low price of $7.81. I've queried McMaster, and they confirm that yes, it does come w/ these bearings. I'm wondering if anyone has tried them and can comment on their performance.



Or...has anyone found the ultimate outrigger wheel?

Fred



A194



Easy-Roll Rubber-Tread Wheels<2439tp1s.gif>3 1/2" to 6" Dia.



<2439tp2s.gif>8" to 10" Dia.



Blue rubber on nylon core
Durometer is 70A

Temperature range is -40° to +200° F

   Resilient rubber tread rebounds quickly, so you can roll and turn easily on most surfaces. The maintenance-free precision ball bearings require minimal effort to get these wheels rolling.



Wheel Size,For AxleHubCap. Ea., Dia. x Wd.Dia.Lg.lbs.Each3 1/2" x 1 1/4" 3/8"1 5/8"2252439T41$7.104" x 1 1/4" 3/8"1 5/8"2502439T427.81

	


	


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kevann(at)gotsky.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:51 am Post subject: outrigger wheels

Do you guys have a part # for the wheels your  speaking of?

 Kevin

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fklein(at)orcasonline.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:23 am Post subject: outrigger wheels

On Apr 1, 2010, at 5:49 AM, Kevin Klinefelter wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Do you guys have a part # for the wheels your speaking of? 	




Hi Kevin,

If you're askin bout the Performa wheel, go to mcmaster cat. pg 1347...there are different part #s for different bearing types.

If you're askin bout the in-line skate wheels, I don't have a part # handy, but the specs of the wheels I purchased were listed in my first email yesterday.

Fred



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erichdtrombley(at)juno.co
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:03 am Post subject: outrigger wheels

I am one of those mono guys that has been using the scooter wheel since day one on my Eruopa.  Not realizing just how good these little wheel are I purchased several sets from the local sporting goods store thinking I was going be changing them out frequently.  However, after seven years of flying I am still only on my second pair.  These wheels are the 100mm diameter with abec 5 bearings.  I don't know what the hardness of these are however, they seem to be soft.  I made my own mouting hardware, getting rid of the Europa bracket.  The wheels fit perfectly within the width of the outrigger leg.  The scooter wheels are significantly lighter, very durable, long lasting, and quite.  The lighter weight may even help keep the outriggers from sagging.  

Regards, 

Erich Trombley

N28ET Classic Mono 914  



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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:03 am Post subject: Outrigger wheels

PPS:  

        I forgot yo mention page 1304 of the catalogue gives some explanation for picking the proper wheels....  

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fklein(at)orcasonline.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:46 am Post subject: outrigger wheels

Hi Ferg...thanks for the price update on those wheels!!...the $7.81  

price was good back in Sept. '09.



BTW, I don't know of anyone who has inspected or mounted that  

particular wheel. Although it's still reasonably priced, as I learned  

more about the world of precision bearings, there are multiple grades  

(ABEC ratings). If I recall correctly, these "Easy-Roll" wheels,  

although they do have "maintenance-free precision bearings", they have  

the lowest possible rating.



I wouldn't imagine that parts ordered from www.skates.com would raise  

any eyebrows with the technology-transfer-police...see my email of 31  

Mar 10. The wheels I ordered came w/ ABEC 5 bearings...for a few more  

bucks I also ordered some ABEC 9 bearings, but frankly, the wheels w/  

the #5 bearings are wonderful silent spinners and I see Eric Trombley  

has had good experience with them.



Cheers,



Fred

fklein(at)orcasonline.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:19 pm Post subject: outrigger wheels

Hi Ferg...thanks for the price update on those wheels!!...the $7.81  

price was good back in Sept. '09.



BTW, I don't know of anyone who has inspected or mounted that  

particular wheel. Although it's still reasonably priced, as I learned  

more about the world of precision bearings, there are multiple grades  

(ABEC ratings). If I recall correctly, these "Easy-Roll" wheels,  

although they do have "maintenance-free precision bearings", they have  

the lowest possible rating.



I wouldn't imagine that parts ordered from www.skates.com would raise  

any eyebrows with the technology-transfer-police...see my email of 31  

Mar 10. The wheels I ordered came w/ ABEC 5 bearings...for a few more  

bucks I also ordered some ABEC 9 bearings, but frankly, the wheels w/  

the #5 bearings are wonderful silent spinners and I see Eric Trombley  

has had good experience with them.



Cheers,



Fred

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