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n801bh(at)netzero.com
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 Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:58 pm Post subject: Taxes |
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Well, to preserve this god awful state I want to add my .02 cents worth.. It is cold here 365 days a year, sometimes -45 f. Ugly country, wind blows every day, natives are not friendly and the mosquitos are the size of grizzly bears. Oh, Did I forget to mention those pesky bears ? And....... These darn rocks block the view of Idaho too. <GGG>
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Bob Collins
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:59 pm Post subject: Taxes |
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OK, I can't resist. I see a lot of folks on here talking taxes who I KNOW worked for companies that got government contracts... otherrs who I know are living off a pension after working for government for 20 years (I don't so I'm still working), or got an education on the GI bill -- before which, by the way, it was unusual to own a home.
The airports we fly in and out of ? Taxes.
Look, I'm not that interested in getting into a stupid talk radio discussion on taxes. I'm sure ther'es plenty of waste in government spending just as there is in family spending. But our food supply is healthy, we can get anywhere we want in the world on a great infrastructure, our kids aren't crapping in the streets because there's no running water or sewer, the quality of life via parks and trails is outstanding, I got educated thanks to people who paid their taxes who realized that me being educated and productive was a valuable investment.
We've got it good. Stop whining like a bunch of spoiled babies and come over and help me on the cowling.
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chuck(at)chuckdirect.com
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| Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:08 pm Post subject: Taxes |
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So here’s what I’ll do for you Bob. I’ll let you pay my taxes, then you’ll feel twice as warm and fuzzy and I’ll get to stay right here in California. Love ya…honest.
Chuck
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From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 3:29 PM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Taxes
OK, I can't resist. I see a lot of folks on here talking taxes who I KNOW worked for companies that got government contracts... otherrs who I know are living off a pension after working for government for 20 years (I don't so I'm still working), or got an education on the GI bill -- before which, by the way, it was unusual to own a home.
The airports we fly in and out of ? Taxes.
Look, I'm not that interested in getting into a stupid talk radio discussion on taxes. I'm sure ther'es plenty of waste in government spending just as there is in family spending. But our food supply is healthy, we can get anywhere we want in the world on a great infrastructure, our kids aren't crapping in the streets because there's no running water or sewer, the quality of life via parks and trails is outstanding, I got educated thanks to people who paid their taxes who realized that me being educated and productive was a valuable investment.
We've got it good. Stop whining like a bunch of spoiled babies and come over and help me on the cowling.
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tcervin(at)embarqmail.com
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:00 am Post subject: Taxes |
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The bigger the government the more it costs and the less individual freedom. This country was founded as, and still is a republic. Our constitution will win the battle in the end.
I agree let's go flying and enjoy the summer because come November the socialism in Washington will be only a memory. Off to the airport!
Tom in Ohio
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ralphmariafinch(at)gmail.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:26 am Post subject: Taxes |
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Me neither. So just as this thread is winding down, I’ll post my thoughts to wind it up again.
To keep it barely aircraft related I’ll start with places to live to fly airplanes. I’ve traveled some and surely California, and Northern California where I am, is one of the best overall places for a pilot to live: great weather for 8 to 9 months of the year, little freezing weather unless you live far up the mountains, very few thunderstorms. The coast gets its stratus fog dependably, but I took my primary training decades ago in San Jose and don’t recall it being a problem. The scenery is fantastic and with an RV you can reach the ocean, mountains, cities and desert within just 2 to 4 hours flight.
To be sure the cost of living is high here, though not really from taxes. Housing in particular is higher than most places in the Union. Taxes are a bit complicated. Once you buy a property, your property taxes can only increase max at 2%/year, so if you don’t move you gradually enjoy lower and lower property tax, relative to inflation. Businesses take advantage of this with very low property taxes using a legal scam: they create a small corporation and register the corp as the property owner. Should they want to sell to another business they merely change the directors of the corp. Since the property continues to be owned by the same corp the property value is not reassessed.
Other taxes are higher, California has both sales and income tax. However I’ve seen statistics that place overall CA taxes in the middle of the states, presumably because of the long-term low property taxes.
But are state taxes the biggest expense one has? I doubt it. For instance, the March 2010 Aviation Consumer magazine editorial reports that data/chart update costs for a GNS 480 and GMX 200 is $1300/year….for data that the government provides to the private companies like Garmin for free. OK, most RV’ers won’t have that equipment, but the point is that by far most of my and others’ expenses involve commercial products, not state taxes.
So, most people griping about state taxes and saying they’re going to move are actually unhappy about their social or political surroundings. By all means, don’t stay in a place you’re not happy living in. Me, I’m happy in N. California. I just got back from London and Barcelona. Great places both but every time I travel I am so grateful to return to California. I live in a university town with a local airport 10 minutes drive away. My airplanes buddies are a molecular research biologist, a civil engineer, a successful businessman, etc. All have extensively traveled and most speak a second language, as I do. I’d never find this overall aviation experience elsewhere, and I’ve never seriously consider living anywhere else.
Ralph Finch
Davis, California
RV-9A QB-SA
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 3:29 PM
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Subject: RE: Taxes
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lsbrv7a(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:25 am Post subject: Taxes |
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To all,
Some one looking for a good place to fly should consider the space between the Rocky Mtns. and the Miss. River. The Government built thousands of airfields in nearly every community during the collective effort to win WWII. No they didn't go out and shop. There are only a few towers as obstructions, and the weather is mostly good. You will need to know crosswind landings. The people are mostly friendly, and we love our country deeply.
In some places there is high speed internet (the existing tax incentive for internet improvements was, and is, spent by the communication companies for bonuses). Taxes are generally split up between sales, property, and income taxes to provide balance. Although there is sales taxes on food there are not sales taxes on stocks and bonds.
For the most part roads are passable. Although originally each individual homesteader maintained 6 miles of road themselves, rugged individualist who couldn't be bothered by their share, messed that up. Now we pay taxes and the counties and state do that work. I haven't seen houses with their own 12 V windmills and battery sheds for house power in a long time. (It was my wife's job to check battery water every day in the power shed when she was a girl). FDR's Rural Electrification Program brought 110/220 VAC power to the farms. His opposition said it was socialist and only to power radios to hear FDR's speeches. I was glad I didn't need to milk by hand, my mother had a electric stove, we had TV, power tools, electric welders and had light to read.
You really ought to give this area a look.
Sherman Butler
RV-7a Wings
N497GS reserved
Carlsbad, NM
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Subject: RE: Taxes
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Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 8:20 AM
Me neither. So just as this thread is winding down, I’ll post my thoughts to wind it up again.
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