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jeff(at)rmmm.net
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: Pitch Forces

Hi All,

As a low time pilot that is enjoying his finished toy, I have noticed 

the pitch forces are quite a bit greater than that of the aileron. 

Thats while sitting on the ground or in the air at maneuvering speeds. 

Reading other plane reviews over the years authors have noted this to 

not be good or desirable.

I on the other hand haven't found it annoying but am wondering if other 

Europas are like this. None of the push rods seem to be rubbing 

anywhere. Is their any lubricant others have used and if so where has 

it had the best effect? Any Ideas or advice would be appreciated.

Thanks In advance,

Jeff R.

A258 / Gold Rush... Flying off the 40

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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:46 pm Post subject: Pitch Forces

Hi! Jeff.

Have you the trim system set to neutral and mid range?  The little trim

tabs have the capability of deploying huge forces since the stabilators

are "all flying control" Until you have the feel of the pitch trim

sensitivity you will think the pitch is heavy. Since the pitch trim

motor is quite speedy you only require small "dabs" of power to it to

get a balanced trim control load.

Some can't hack the fast trim and have introduced a slower circuit

facility from the Allen Co. to either replace the Europa supplied relay

deck or similar.

I had a defective relay deck but for a long while they were saying it

was a a connection problem but then discovered it was the type of points

they used in the relay getting dirty. They sent me a replacement relay

and Bingo, problem gone.  However to illustrate my point, if this

phenomenon occurred in flight the only way I could clear it was to allow

the trim to go all the way to the end limiter, initially I tried to hold

the controls against the forces but was so concerned about the loads I

then allowed the aircraft to do as the trim tabs were demanding until it

reversed back from the limiter to normal flight, making sure I stopped

it at the right place instead of needing to back off again! Of course

the forces are still present in the stabilators and trim tabs when this

happens but not right back to the control column. All quite scary really

but sorted out now.

It would be a major challenge to land the aircraft with the trim system

on maximum position either way.

Regards

Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa MKI/Jabiru 3300



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ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserv
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: Pitch Forces

It's normal/desirable to have the stick pitch forces higher than the roll 

forces in a normal 'plane.

Albeit that the Kitfox had lighter pitch than roll, which contributed to its 

interesting handling!



Duncan McF.

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topglock(at)cox.net
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:01 pm Post subject: Pitch Forces

Jeff,



I think the heavier pitch forces are normal.  I've noticed the same 

thing in Baby Blue.  Never a problem, though, as the Europa responds 

quickly to "ANY" movement of the stick.



On a side note, are you going to be up for the meeting with John at 

Mattlews in mid May?



Jeff - Baby Blue N55XS

164 hours



JEFF ROBERTS wrote:



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Hi All,

As a low time pilot that is enjoying his finished toy, I have noticed 

the pitch forces are quite a bit greater than that of the aileron. 

Thats while sitting on the ground or in the air at maneuvering speeds. 

Reading other plane reviews over the years authors have noted this to 

not be good or desirable.

I on the other hand haven't found it annoying but am wondering if other 

Europas are like this. None of the push rods seem to be rubbing 

anywhere. Is their any lubricant others have used and if so where has 

it had the best effect? Any Ideas or advice would be appreciated.

Thanks In advance,

Jeff R.

A258 / Gold Rush... Flying off the 40

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jeff(at)rmmm.net
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:21 am Post subject: Pitch Forces

Hi Jeff,

Not sure if I'll have the 40 off. I'm having a serious time problem 

right now. We have started building on the property I showed you. As 

most people that have this flying disease I have built the 

hanger/apartment first. Working on it, the land, running my business in 

it's busy time, and flying off the 40. I need a clone!

There is nothing that sounds better than getting away for a Europa 

weekend. If I cant fly to it I may even drive.

Thanks Bob H. and Jeff for your responses and keep me posted on the 

date in May at Mathews.

Happy Easter to All!

Jeff

A258 Flying off the 40

On Apr 15, 2006, at 8:51 PM, Rman wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Jeff,

 I think the heavier pitch forces are normal.  I've noticed the same

 thing in Baby Blue.  Never a problem, though, as the Europa responds

 quickly to "ANY" movement of the stick.

 On a side note, are you going to be up for the meeting with John at

 Mattlews in mid May?

 Jeff - Baby Blue N55XS

 164 hours

 JEFF ROBERTS wrote:

> 

>

> Hi All,

> As a low time pilot that is enjoying his finished toy, I have noticed

> the pitch forces are quite a bit greater than that of the aileron.

> Thats while sitting on the ground or in the air at maneuvering speeds.

> Reading other plane reviews over the years authors have noted this to

> not be good or desirable.

> I on the other hand haven't found it annoying but am wondering if 

> other

> Europas are like this. None of the push rods seem to be rubbing

> anywhere. Is their any lubricant others have used and if so where has

> it had the best effect? Any Ideas or advice would be appreciated.

> Thanks In advance,

> Jeff R.

> A258 / Gold Rush... Flying off the 40

>

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