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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:28 am Post subject: Safety improvement list

Wau, Graham



are you talking about same man?

What a talent  producer of Europa Enhancement Equipments!



If I still were in a building phase, I would obviously have liked to get those Wing Root Fairings by UFACI 

(Uncle Fred´s Aviation Composite Industrial) LTD.



Now it is too late I am afraid (only one life I have).

But who knows, maybe there will be a future winter delay and nothing to do...how is that Fred?

Raimo OH-XRT from Suomi



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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:05 am Post subject: Safety improvement list

Graham,



I did not. You wrote



"the rubber hose gets eroded every time it (a filter)

 	  Quote: 	
		   > is removed."


	


That was my point only.

If you change a filter let is say 5 to 10 times during rubber hose´s life time, they do not get eroded at all.

That is surely The Fact.



 	  Quote: 	
		   It is possible to block the filter in one tank filling 


	


That is of course true. I know it because I have been there.

But NEVER again. Why? 



Because I am now a better pilot and



1) my tank is totally clean since that incidense.

2) there will never ever be any contaminants any more in my tank becauce

    a) I use only carefully filtered (by me) unleaded autopetrol (Mogas)

    b) I use only totally clean 100LL which is a self-evident truth (at least in Finland)



When refueling our planes we have to be very carefull !



For example it (Andair) does not help if we refuel JetA1...I mean it doesn´t make wonders.



I think Europa´s idea to use two parallel installed inline filters is good. 

One for main and one for a reserve tank. It is reasonable.



And - BTW - those in-line filters are also checkable before EVERY flight.

I do it every 5 flight hours (like removing the upper cowling same time also).



Nice to change ideas with you, Graham.



Raimo OH.-XRT from Suomi



PS: should I take a photo from Rotax Original -type in-line filter?



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fklein(at)orcasonline.com
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:25 am Post subject: Safety improvement list

On Nov 24, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Raimo Toivio wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   If I still were in a building phase, I would obviously have liked to  

 get those Wing Root Fairings by UFACI

 (Uncle Fred´s Aviation Composite Industrial) LTD.



 Now it is too late I am afraid (only one life I have).

 But who knows, maybe there will be a future winter delay and nothing  

 to do...how is that Fred?

 Raimo OH-XRT from Suomi


	


Raimo,



The truth is that the fairings would be a relatively easy retrofit to  

a completed aircraft during a season when flying is curtailed and a  

workshop or hangar is available where you can rig and de-rig the  

wings. One would, of course, have to surmount the psychological  

barrier of getting out the Dremel, sandpaper, some resin, etc. and  

going back to the painters.

(The stock XS wing root fairings, if installed per the manual, would  

have to be removed on the upper surface of the wing aft of the spar.)



Flight tests with and without the fairings by Jeff Behrens on his  

trigear show improvements in L/D of 11 to 14% at various airspeeds and  

3.75% increase in rate of climb; if you're interested I would be happy  

to send you the documentation; perhaps I should post it somewhere on  

the Europa Builders website...yes, I will do that.



Aesthetics are pretty subjective, but IMHO, they do improve the  

Europa's appearance.



Fred

ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:36 am Post subject: Safety improvement list

Raimo   Remember that the reserve side will be the most likley to 

recieve any contaminant since that is where the filler is, so.........

should there ever be a major contaninant event when you switch to 

reserve it just may not be quite so ready to provide fuel.



Regards



Bob Harrison .



 	  Quote: 	
		  ----Original Message----

From: raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi

Date: 24/11/2009 18:04 

To: <europa-list(at)matronics.com>

Subj: Re: Safety improvement list




fi>
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  

Graham,



I did not. You wrote



"the rubber hose gets eroded every time it (a filter)

> > is removed."



That was my point only.

If you change a filter let is say 5 to 10 times during rubber hoseÂ´s 

life time, they do not get eroded at all.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  That is surely The Fact.



> It is possible to block the filter in one tank filling 



That is of course true. I know it because I have been there.

But NEVER again. Why? 



Because I am now a better pilot and



1) my tank is totally clean since that incidense.

2) there will never ever be any contaminants any more in my tank 

becauce
	


 	  Quote: 	
		      a) I use only carefully filtered (by me) unleaded autopetrol 

(Mogas)
	


 	  Quote: 	
		      b) I use only totally clean 100LL which is a self-evident truth 

(at least in Finland)
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  

When refueling our planes we have to be very carefull !



For example it (Andair) does not help if we refuel JetA1...I mean it 

doesnÂ´t make wonders.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  

I think EuropaÂ´s idea to use two parallel installed inline filters is 

good. 
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  One for main and one for a reserve tank. It is reasonable.



And - BTW - those in-line filters are also checkable before EVERY 

flight.
	


 	  Quote: 	
		  I do it every 5 flight hours (like removing the upper cowling same 

time also).
	


[quote]

Nice to change ideas with you, Graham.



Raimo OH.-XRT from Suomi



PS: should I take a photo from Rotax Original -type in-line filter?



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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:25 pm Post subject: Safety improvement list

Fred

can't argue with that! Very impressive performance results too, be nice 

to see someone else confirm, I think Justin claims an improvement too

Graham

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 Flight tests with and without the fairings by Jeff Behrens on his 

 trigear show improvements in L/D of 11 to 14% at various airspeeds and 

 3.75% increase in rate of climb; if you're interested I would be happy 

 to send you the documentation; perhaps I should post it somewhere on 

 the Europa Builders website...yes, I will do that.



 Aesthetics are pretty subjective, but IMHO, they do improve the 

 Europa's appearance.



 Fred

paul.the.aviator(at)gmail
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 8:57 pm Post subject: Safety improvement list

Hi, I was wondering if Justin ever published his numbers.  - Paul



On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)>

  

 Fred

 can't argue with that! Very impressive performance results too, be nice to see someone else confirm, I think Justin claims an improvement too

[b]

raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:01 am Post subject: Safety improvement list

Bob The Mosquito



I use regularly reserve side (to know it is usable).

The reserve side filter is always as clean as it was when new.

Believe me, my tank is clean and it will be so.



Raimo OH-XRT from Suomi



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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:37 am Post subject: Safety improvement list

Raimo Toivio wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Bob The Mosquito



 I use regularly reserve side (to know it is usable).

 The reserve side filter is always as clean as it was when new.

 Believe me, my tank is clean and it will be so.



 Raimo OH-XRT from Suomi

   

Raimo
	


I assume you always filter fuel as it enters the tank? This is the only 

way to be sure. I do not believe visual check of Purolator sis good 

enough . Some debris is invisible when wet with fuel, bits of polythene 

tank swarf for example.

regards

Graham

raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:00 am Post subject: Safety improvement list

 	  Quote: 	
		   Raimo

 I assume you always filter fuel as it enters the tank? This is the only 

 way to be sure.


	


Graham, I am sure!



I wrote 24.11. as follows:



 	  Quote: 	
		  2) there will never ever be any contaminants any more in my tank 

becauce
	


 	  Quote: 	
		      a) I use only carefully filtered (by me) unleaded autopetrol 

(Mogas)
	


 	  Quote: 	
		      b) I use only totally clean 100LL which is a self-evident truth 

(at least in Finland)
	




Thanks for care,



Raimo OH-XRT

grahamsingleton(at)btinte
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:05 am Post subject: Safety improvement list

Raimo

 apologies, my short term memory has been diluted 

Graham

 	  Quote: 	
		   



   

> Raimo

> I assume you always filter fuel as it enters the tank? This is the only 

> way to be sure.

>     



 Graham, I am sure!



 I wrote 24.11. as follows:

raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
Guest

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:38 am Post subject: Safety improvement list

Graham,



do not worry - we are all in the same boat eh plane.



Raimo 

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