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craigb(at)onthenet.com.au
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Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:22 pm Post subject: Flap position, Flight testing

Glad  to hear you are enjoying your baby 

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acrojim7534(at)YAHOO.COM
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 2:20 pm Post subject: Flap position, Flight testing

Kevin

  

 I had the same problem that you have, the ball was out about a quarter to the left. I solved my problem by installing a wedge of balsa wood on the RIGHT side of the rudder.

  

 The balsa wood came from a hobby shop, and is used for trailing edges on model wings. It is shaped like a wedge. The front is maby 1/32 and the rear is 1/4 thick.. cut it to about 2 inches long. Temporary install on the Right side of the rudder with the 1/4 inch thick part at the trailing edge of the rudder. Also locate it about half way down from the top of the rudder.

 I used masking tape to hold it on. Then go fly, get plane in normal cruise, take feet off pedals. where is ball. If the ball did no quite get centered. Use a longer wedge. If ball went to far, cut the wedge shorter. and go fly again. After a couple tries you should have the ball centered in normal cruise.

  

 You can attach any way you want. Glue it on, use vinyl tape, RTV....

 This makes a neater installation than gluing a piece of aluminum on the rudder and then bending a tab to accomplish the same result.

  

 When you start flying cross countrys at 17.500 ft you will see some very impressive ground speeds. It blows the controller's mind when you tell him you are flying behind a Rotax. They think two strokes. 

  

 Jim Brown

  

 



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From: Kevin Klinefelter <kevann(at)gotsky.com>

Subject: Re: Flap position, Flight testing

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 12:46 AM



  Hi Jim,

 I have  to hold just a little left rudder in cruise to center the ball on my Dynon. Seems like I am skidding just a bit.

 When I use the stick to level the plane I can do it with one finger, just a pound or so to keep the left wing up cruising solo. In this position of wings level the ball is off to the left just enough to put the ball 1/4 on the line.

 When gear and flaps are down, the left turn is more pronounced. And when stalled dirty the left wing always drops.

  

  

 Thanks to all for the responses. I have not tried changing anything yet. I have just been enjoying this great little plane and trying very hard to get better at landing her. I have been doing a lot of landings! And also some high cruising, 17,000 feet over the snow covered Sierra, just amazing to be there instead of in the garage...

  

 Kevin, 35+ hours on the hobbs

 A211, N211KA

 Mono XS

 Intercooled 914, Airmaster Prop

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 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:02 PM

 Subject: Re: Flap position, Flight testing

 



     Kevin

  

 Your statment "in cruise I have to hold a little left rudder".. Is this to keep the plane from a slight turning to the right? Is the right wing low without rudder ?

  

 The next time you fly, do this for me. Once in normal cruse, take your feet off the rudder pedals. Use your stick to level the plane, then observe where the sticks position is. Is it to the left of center or is it to the righ of center, or does it remain centered ? In this position of wings level, where is the ball? Is it to the right, or to the left, or is it centered?

  

 The monowheel does have a tendenancy to turn left a little, when flown solo.

  

 Jim Brown



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From: Kevin Klinefelter <kevann(at)gotsky.com>

Subject: Re: Flap position, Flight testing

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 1:04 PM



  Jim, In cruise I have to hold a little left rudder...

 Kevin

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kevann(at)gotsky.com
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Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:37 pm Post subject: Flap position, Flight testing

Jim,

  

 I flew today with a friend (mutiple RV  owner/builder) in the right seat. He's a far more experienced and talented pilot  than I. The plane turned RIGHT ever so slightly hands off. The ball was off  about the same to the left.

  

 Stalls dirty with the two of us broke a little to  the right at low power. He did lots of stalls and thought the plane flew very  nicely. So I'm not going to do anything regarding roll correction. I have a  TruTrak autopilot installed but not hooked up yet. I imagine it will work well  for longer flights, without aileron trim, solo or dual.

  

  I like your rudder trim solution. If I  understand correctly it looks like a flettner strip on our trim  tabs?

  

 My RV friend landed the Europa-mono four times,  each one getting better. Made me feel better to see that he did some light  bounces and showed me that a fine touch on the throttle does wonders. He was  impressed with the 914/airmaster combo!

  

 Thanks, Kevin

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craigb(at)onthenet.com.au
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:08 am Post subject: Flap position, Flight testing

This  may be a silly question, but your panel is level???? maybe you are  chasing

 a  phantom problem.

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acrojim7534(at)YAHOO.COM
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Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 2:58 am Post subject: Flap position, Flight testing

Thanks Kevin.

  

 Sounds like you have a handle on the problem.. Yes it does look like a flettner strip.

  

 If you can't find material close by contact me off line with your address, I'll send some to you.

  

 Jim



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From: Kevin Klinefelter <kevann(at)gotsky.com>

Subject: Re: Flap position, Flight testing

To: europa-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 4:35 AM



  Jim,

  

 I flew today with a friend (mutiple RV owner/builder) in the right seat. He's a far more experienced and talented pilot than I. The plane turned RIGHT ever so slightly hands off. The ball was off about the same to the left.

  

 Stalls dirty with the two of us broke a little to the right at low power. He did lots of stalls and thought the plane flew very nicely. So I'm not going to do anything regarding roll correction. I have a TruTrak autopilot installed but not hooked up yet. I imagine it will work well for longer flights, without aileron trim, solo or dual.

  

  I like your rudder trim solution. If I understand correctly it looks like a flettner strip on our trim tabs?

  

 My RV friend landed the Europa-mono four times, each one getting better. Made me feel better to see that he did some light bounces and showed me that a fine touch on the throttle does wonders. He was impressed with the 914/airmaster combo!

  

 Thanks, Kevin

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