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danny shepherd

Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Posts: 117
Location: north Wales, United Kingdom

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:59 am Post subject: fire extinguisher

Hi All,

          Can anyone tell me what kind of fire extinguisher they have in 

there plane, and where about did they fit it. I have been looking at the 

usual suppliers, and I'm a bit confused as to which one I should fit.



Cheers Danny G-ceri  (getting close to the first flight)

ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: fire extinguisher

Hi! Danny 

I have a CFC ?(Believe it was that can't say positively since the

aircraft is locked away in the trailor , it's not water and not powder

anyway!) behind the passenger seat head rest and part of the passenger

drill is to point out where it is .......it gives them lots of

confidence !

Regards

Bob Harrison G-PTAG



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kheindl(at)msn.com
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:19 am Post subject: fire extinguisher

Danny C

  

 I have a halon gas extiguisher. as far as i know it is only available from acs. position is same as described by bob.

 Karl



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		   Date: Thu C 4 Sep 2008 16:58:03 +0100

 From: danny(at)mcwalterscafe.co.uk

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 Subject: fire extinguisher

 

 --> Europa-List message posted by: danny shepherd <danny(at)mcwalterscafe.co.uk>

 

 Hi All C

 Can anyone tell me what kind of fire extinguisher they have in 

 there plane C and where about did they fit it. I have been looking at the 

 usual suppliers C and I'm a bit confused as to which one I should fit.

 

 Cheers Danny G-ceri (getting close to the first flight)

 

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loboloda(at)execulink.com
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: fire extinguisher

Hi Danny,

Same as Karl, I have a Halon extinguisher, had to bring it in from Oshkosh as

they don't seem to be allowed to be sold in Canada.

Mounted on the centre consul, low down, just ahead of the seat and angled forward.

I can reach it from there, and it is not in the way of feet or legs.



Dave

On 4-Sep-08, at 1:18 PM, Karl Heindl wrote:

[quote] Danny,

  

 I have a halon gas extiguisher. as far as i know it is only available from acs. position is same as described by bob.

 Karl



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		   Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:58:03 +0100

 From: danny(at)mcwalterscafe.co.uk (danny(at)mcwalterscafe.co.uk)

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)

 Subject: fire extinguisher

 

 --> Europa-List message posted by: danny shepherd <danny(at)mcwalterscafe.co.uk (danny(at)mcwalterscafe.co.uk)>

 

 Hi All,

 Can anyone tell me what kind of fire extinguisher they have in 

 there plane, and where about did they fit it. I have been looking at the 

 usual suppliers, and I'm a bit confused as to which one I should fit.

 

 Cheers Danny G-ceri (getting close to the first flight)

 

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raimo.toivio(at)rwm.fi
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:31 am Post subject: fire extinguisher

Danny,



when airborne, Halon is your one and ONLY possibility in the case of fire.

Normal "on the ground use" is illegal but aviation use is still legal.



CO2 and powder types will kill you ( + powder spoils your panel etc!!!).

Water-fox-type -extinguishers are also not very practical.



There was a great article of that question this year in the magazine 

Sport Pilot or Sport Aviation (USA EAA). Maybe some

American could find that article and let us know the main facts.

If not I wíll do it.



I fitted my (little) bottle between centre console and P2 backseat.

Always visible and easy to find and use.



Raimo from Finland

OH-XRT



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wooburnaviation(at)google
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject: fire extinguisher

On my last fire course I was told that Haylon is still available for aviation use only, so maybe they are available through specialist suppliers?  We still use Haylon on the Embraer 145 for engine and APU extinguishers.

 

 On 04/09/2008, Carl Pattinson <carl(at)flyers.freeserve.co.uk (carl(at)flyers.freeserve.co.uk)> wrote: [quote]--> Europa-List message posted by: "Carl Pattinson" <carl(at)flyers.freeserve.co.uk (carl(at)flyers.freeserve.co.uk)>

 

I may be wrong Danni but I think Halon extinguishers are now no longer available in the UK anyway  (aka BCF bromo chloro fluorethane) because they are considered harmful to the environment.



Legislation prohibits the sale of halon products from December 31st 2002. - NO IM NOT WRONG !!! http://www.mfs-fire-extinguishers.co.uk/halon.htm

 

The only other alternative suitable for aircraft use are dry powder. Water is unsuitable for aircraft use and too heavy and foam although acceptable is also too heavy. CO2 is probably the best substitute but again too heavy for aircraft use.

 

Halon if you can get it is undoubtedly the best as it is effective against a wide range of fires and wont damage the aircraft structure, engine or wiring if used. I have seen all of the above used in real life and used properly the Halon variety is by far the best - note Halon is extremely toxic in confined spaces (you wouldnt want to use it in an enclosed cockpit).

 

We have a Halon extinguisher 3kg but its getting on a bit (it had a twin but I accidentally set it off in the garage by mistake last week - but at least it proved the thing worked).



Good luck in your search.

 

Carl Pattinson

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ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserv
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: fire extinguisher

Ditto mine: Halon and behind-the-passenger-'headrest' mounting position, 

which is out of the way, within easy reach and doesn't become a projectile 

in a frontal crash.

BTW, it takes a 10Kg pull to release the 1Kg bottle. So any deceleration of

-10g in the direction of release will see the extinguisher becoming a free 

agent.



Duncan McF.

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Brian Davies

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 124
Location: uk

Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: fire extinguisher

BCF fire extinguishers are still available in the UK from  LAS (Light Aero) in 1Kg and 0.5Kg sizes.

  

 Brian Davies



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Sent: 04 September 2008 21:28

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Subject: Re: Re: Europa-List:  fire extinguisher

 

On my last fire course I was told that Haylon is still available for  aviation use only, so maybe they are available through specialist  suppliers?  We still use Haylon on the Embraer 145 for engine and APU  extinguishers.



 On 04/09/2008, Carl  Pattinson <carl(at)flyers.freeserve.co.uk (carl(at)flyers.freeserve.co.uk)>  wrote:   	  Quote: 	
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I may be wrong Danni    but I think Halon extinguishers are now no longer available in the UK anyway     (aka BCF bromo chloro fluorethane) because they are considered harmful    to the environment.



Legislation prohibits the sale of halon products    from December 31st 2002. - NO IM NOT WRONG !!! http://www.mfs-fire-extinguishers.co.uk/halon.htm



The    only other alternative suitable for aircraft use are dry powder. Water is    unsuitable for aircraft use and too heavy and foam although acceptable is also    too heavy. CO2 is probably the best substitute but again too heavy for    aircraft use.



Halon if you can get it is undoubtedly the best as it is    effective against a wide range of fires and wont damage the aircraft    structure, engine or wiring if used. I have seen all of the above used in real    life and used properly the Halon variety is by far the best - note Halon is    extremely toxic in confined spaces (you wouldnt want to use it in an enclosed    cockpit).



We have a Halon extinguisher 3kg but its getting on a bit (it    had a twin but I accidentally set it off in the garage by mistake last week -    but at least it proved the thing worked).



Good luck in your    search.



Carl Pattinson

G-LABS

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Hi All,

             Can anyone tell me what kind of fire extinguisher they      have in there plane, and where about did they fit it. I have been looking at      the usual suppliers, and I'm a bit confused as to which one I should      fit.



Cheers Danny G-ceri  (getting close to the first      flight)



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ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserv
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: fire extinguisher

Ditto mine: Halon and behind-the-passenger-'headrest' mounting position, 

which is out of the way, within easy reach and doesn't become a projectile 

in a frontal crash.

BTW, it takes a 10Kg pull to release the 1Kg bottle. So any deceleration of

-10g in the direction of release will see the extinguisher becoming a free 

agent.

Duncan McF.

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mikenjulie.parkin(at)btin
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: fire extinguisher

Danny,



The only one to use is Halon.  Still available for aircraft use.  Mine is 

mounted behind the passenger headrest.  Go to 

http://www.lasaero.com/article/a-bcf-fire.



regards,



Mike



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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: fire extinguisher

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Ivor Phillips

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 253
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:20 am Post subject: fire extinguisher

They are available from    http://www.lasaero.com/article/a-bcf-fire

Regards

Ivor



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