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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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 Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: SLICK MAGs |
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According to Mattituck every new engine they ship ships with a notice of the SB. That's a really bum deal. I like the fix mentioned.
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
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On Jul 10, 2008, at 8:24 PM, McGANN, Ron wrote:
| Quote: | I expect any new engine or rebuilt engine with new mags will be affected by the SB. I bought my engine from Vans mid '07 and I too have dud mags. I contacted Unison to see if I could have them replaced under warranty - mine are brand new never run. The simple issue is that they have NO solution and have nothing better to replace them with. Given our deeeep south location, there are not many options with alternate brush/cam suppliers, so I have no choice other than inspections every 15-20 hrs until 50hrs per the SB. I just hope the mags are not difficult to remove - I am having nightmares about dropping a support bracket or nut into the engine accessory case already.
cheers,
Ron
-187, Tailcone SB done, back to finishing.
| Quote: | From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
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Subject: SLICK MAGs
| Quote: | | I emailed BPE this morning regarding the joy of having TWO brand spanking new mags that fall under the SB. Rhonda did a little research and found a solution that gets around the SB / future inspections. She OK’d me to post this to the list: |
Here is the pricing from the local accessory shop in Tulsa, Quality Aircraft Accessories. Replace the carbon brush and cam, including labor for any Slick mag at or around 100 hours for $75/mag. This would be Aero-Accessory replacement parts, so they would not be affected by the SB after the repair.
| Quote: | Justin Hicks at Quality can be reached directly at (918) 835-6948 for assistance. I am not sure what it takes to do this yourself. The SB makes the replacement seem pretty simple. Robinp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
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Deems Davis
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: SLICK MAGs |
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Not being within the serial number range, avoids the frequent inspection
intervals, but it doesn't necessarily avoid the problem, I know of a
couple of indicents where mags outside of the serial number range have
gone belly up with 50 hours or less. Wayne, I suspect your 1st flight
mag loss was one which had a serial number les than 610? As I understand
the history, Unison knows they have a problem with their mags, and
attempted to fix it with different parts, the new parts (reflected in
the 0610xxxx thru 0804xxxx serial number range, didn't fix the problem,
and apparently made it worse. I read a comment on another list where
someone said they heard (heresay) from Unison that they hoped to have a
fix in Aug ?!?!?)
the beat goes on.
Deems
haggling with the painter
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Just Checked my TMX IO-540 delivered in '07 and it looks like my engine is good. My serial number is 0604 1519, model 6351 rev C. The affected range is 0610xxxx thru 0804xxxx.
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: SLICK MAGs |
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Sorry, the attachment was too large. Here's where I stored
it on my system:
http://www.myrv10.com/files/engines/Slick_Mags/SB584.pdf
I'm sure it's on their site too.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Tim Olson wrote:
| Quote: | That's what I thought, at first. My s/n was an 0503 number.
But, if you dig in and look up the other SB (there are 2
nearly identical), you'll find that yours is in that
pile. See attached. 0409#### and up.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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William Curtis wrote:
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> <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
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> Just Checked my TMX IO-540 delivered in '07 and it looks like my
> engine is good. My serial number is 0604 1519, model 6351 rev C.
> The affected range is 0610xxxx thru 0804xxxx.
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> William http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:53 am Post subject: SLICK MAGs |
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Here's the original 2...someone else posted a couple
days ago.
http://www.lycoming.textron.com/support/publications/service-bulletins/pdfs/SB584.pdf
http://www.lycoming.textron.com/support/publications/service-bulletins/pdfs/SB583.pdf
Isn't it funny how AWFUL Unison's site is that you can't even easily
find info about the SB's on it?
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Tim Olson wrote:
| Quote: | Sorry, the attachment was too large. Here's where I stored
it on my system:
http://www.myrv10.com/files/engines/Slick_Mags/SB584.pdf
I'm sure it's on their site too.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Tim Olson wrote:
> That's what I thought, at first. My s/n was an 0503 number.
> But, if you dig in and look up the other SB (there are 2
> nearly identical), you'll find that yours is in that
> pile. See attached. 0409#### and up.
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> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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> William Curtis wrote:
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>> <wcurtis(at)nerv10.com>
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>> Just Checked my TMX IO-540 delivered in '07 and it looks like my
>> engine is good. My serial number is 0604 1519, model 6351 rev C.
>> The affected range is 0610xxxx thru 0804xxxx.
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>> William http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
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wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: SLICK MAGs |
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Got it. So while I don't have the "new bad" brushes, I have the "old bad" brushes, both subject to repetitive inspections.
For my "old bad" brushes, I will have to do 15-20 hour inspections to 50 hours, then 250 hour inspections after 50 hours until they come up with a permanent fix.
For the "new bad" brushes, inspect in the next 50 hours, then every 100 hours thereafter until they come up with a permanent fix.
They make this clear as mud with those two separate Service Bulletins.
William
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:21 am Post subject: SLICK MAGs |
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Yeah, and lucky me, I didn't even know about the problems until near
350 hours....so at least I flew worry-free. 
I guess considering mine haven't failed, I was probably better
not knowing.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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William Curtis wrote:
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Got it. So while I don't have the "new bad" brushes, I have the "old bad" brushes, both subject to repetitive inspections.
For my "old bad" brushes, I will have to do 15-20 hour inspections to 50 hours, then 250 hour inspections after 50 hours until they come up with a permanent fix.
For the "new bad" brushes, inspect in the next 50 hours, then every 100 hours thereafter until they come up with a permanent fix.
They make this clear as mud with those two separate Service Bulletins.
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
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jump2(at)sbcglobal.net
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: SLICK MAGs |
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OK here's my take on slick mags. For the past 12 yrs I have basically used them anytime I can. My way of doing business is 500 hr inspection and at 1000 get new ones. I have not had any failures. I just ask how much is a night cought out and out of town repairs worth to you?
Go and ask the fish spotters ,Who flies 10-12 hrs days,what they do. They put more hrs on a plane then any of us.
My customers have heeded what I preach and seems okay since most fly IFR and do not need the hassles.
Now you can complain all you want about them but I'll continue to use them for all applications I can. Heck I have a engine Overhauled and had 1.5 hrs on the cylinders, I had to get 6 new ones. My fuel system has an AD. My tail sections had a major service bulletin. My crossbow has had two revisions. All this and don't have a hr on the aircraft.
I'll be pulling two aircraft down in the next week to look at them and see what's going on. I had the 500 hr inspectins done 375 hrs ago and they changed points and whatever,One of the problems is, you reset timing last 100 hr and now they are off again 2-3 degrees but you can't remember how much they were off the last time. What do you do?
I know what I'm going to do. I would have to say Normally I have to reset timing once during the 500 hr, but I check it almost everytime I change oil. It doesn't take that long to do.
So it doesn't have to be new mags but one that someone put parts in.
I know I rambling but Deems asked for it.
Patrick Thyssen AP/IA ATP
will finish when I do - maybe sept.
Deems Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net> wrote:
[quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Deems Davis
Not being within the serial number range, avoids the frequent inspection
intervals, but it doesn't necessarily avoid the problem, I know of a
couple of indicents where mags outside of the serial number range have
gone belly up with 50 hours or less. Wayne, I suspect your 1st flight
mag loss was one which had a serial number les than 610? As I understand
the history, Unison knows they have a problem with their mags, and
attempted to fix it with different parts, the new parts (reflected in
the 0610xxxx thru 0804xxxx serial number range, didn't fix the problem,
and apparently made it worse. I read a comment on another list where
someone said they heard (heresay) from Unison that they hoped to have a
fix in Aug ?!?!?)
the beat goes on.
Deems
haggling with the painter
William Curtis wrote:
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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: SLICK MAGs |
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Hey Patrick....what do you use for fire protection?...I think Deem's could use a little of that..I'm in the same boat..two brand new mags that fall into the SB along with two other SB's on my emp kit, don't forget the VS SB, I have a ton invested in my aircraft and no hours but very close, I could flame Garmin for dropping the 480...but you plays your money and you take your risks...Jepp plans to continue support so all is not lost...there is enough to gripe about without doing it to our group members...I learned "Gripe " from a very good friend...she would appreciate it in this situation. Is Gripe a Texas word? Actually when she says it almost sounds like Graap...but I know it means business!! 
Rick Sked AIC,ARM, CHST, CSM see I got alphabet soup too!!
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