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wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
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 Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: AFS Systems .... and others |
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| Quote: | My question is still out there (Remotely mounted avionics)
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Why the fascination with remote mounted avionics? The Garmin G-900 allows installation with the Line Replaceable Units (LRUs) mounted remotely or directly in front of the screens. While remote mounted avionics may be a plus, even mandatory in large aircraft, that requirement is significantly reduced in small aircraft such as the RV-10.
Here is a picture of a G-900 in an RV-7 by a Garmin engineer.
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/pictures/images/G900XRV2.jpg
Here is a picture of the forward side of the panel with the LRUs installed with the screens.
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/pictures/images/G900XRV1.jpg
This is a picture of the G-900 with only the screens installed on the panel. The LRUs are installed in a remote location ala new Cessna 182-206.
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/pictures/images/G900XRV3.jpg
William
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AV8ORJWC
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: AFS Systems .... and others |
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Thanks for the review. I captured all of these back in the Garmin tent at OSH '06. It was a proof of concept done in Salem at their Black Ops site where they developed the G1000 options, G600 and G900X.
Remotely mounted avionics stacks reduce panel heat, provide tremendous flexibility in W&B issues, improves performance, enhances pilot ergonomics and functional flow during "hard IFR" (a phrase I do not like). Remotely mounted makes panel installation a breeze.
It only took some time inside a shiny new KingAir C90, a new Mooney, a Cessna 182XP and the DJet prototype to see clearly where panel design has moved since Jim introduced "ArchAngel" in a Lancair IV, N425HP (Jesse' you tracking this hangar queen?) back in 1983.
Dynon pryed open the low end of the Experimental market, Sierra moved the bar to SV, AFS brought us the best in engine monitoring and now the playing field is infilling the holes. The only missed point is that volume should begin to push down the piety of Garmin. If only Apollo(UPS Aviation) in Salem would jump back into this game. Aspen is even breathing life into the concept of Dynon style EFIS screens for retrofit steam gauge guys. And let's all thank Mark and his Vertical Power developments.
Let's not forget our own Bill DeRouchey and the great job he has done with his panel. Jim Hergert's N6XE set the standard with his three screen Chelton Sierras and it is so beautiful that Garmin uses his plane in their literature to sell the G900 (He doesn't even own them). His only Garmins are not EFIS they are the Old Panel mounted Rack Avionics of the 1950's. Oh how I love nostalgia.
One formula has remained timeless. The percent of final cost in the airframe, the percent in the FWF, the percent in the total Avionics, Abby would love you to factor a percentage for a professional interior - too. As Stein puts it so well, three things lead to higher resale value. Avionics properly laidout, well wired and functional is a big one. Now that RV7 with dual G900's that sets the needle to full deflection. WOW he took that to heart. Oh yeh, if we could only pay what he did. That is where "Supply & Demand" needs to sign in.
The one factor missing from Robin's post was the Garmin mandated factory installation cost. Tim got it right - he did it all and shared each step. Randy got Lancair to do his. The rest of us say our prayers each night that pricing will get downright competitive like Dell Computers.
John C.
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| Quote: | My question is still out there (Remotely mounted avionics)
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Why the fascination with remote mounted avionics? The Garmin G-900 allows installation with the Line Replaceable Units (LRUs) mounted remotely or directly in front of the screens. While remote mounted avionics may be a plus, even mandatory in large aircraft, that requirement is significantly reduced in small aircraft such as the RV-10.
Here is a picture of a G-900 in an RV-7 by a Garmin engineer.
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/pictures/images/G900XRV2.jpg
Here is a picture of the forward side of the panel with the LRUs installed with the screens.
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/pictures/images/G900XRV1.jpg
This is a picture of the G-900 with only the screens installed on the panel. The LRUs are installed in a remote location ala new Cessna 182-206.
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/pictures/images/G900XRV3.jpg
William
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robin1(at)mrmoisture.com
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject: AFS Systems .... and others |
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John,
My number includes the visit from a Garmin certified / approved G900X dealer to review and hopefully help calibrate the install. The down side is a required 30 day notice.
Robin
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:40 am Post subject: AFS Systems .... and others |
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In a message dated 4/16/2008 11:05:11 PM Central Daylight Time, wcurtis(at)nerv10.com writes:
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AV8ORJWC
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: AFS Systems .... and others |
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I was quoted a second price for the Garmin Dealer Installed / Warrantee requirement. I did not want to loose the warrantee ability to replace high value assets. Hence the attractiveness of Tim's remarkable panel project.
Thanks
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John,
My number includes the visit from a Garmin certified / approved G900X dealer to review and hopefully help calibrate the install. The down side is a required 30 day notice.
Robin
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