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Gary.Leinberger(at)miller
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 Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: Trike Main gear sockets |
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I think you are correct - given the nature of the Europa beast - trying to make the wheels square and toed in properly, given you build it without the engine weight in it, and with no adjustment - the cost of new tires is just the way it is -
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From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:56 PM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Trike Main gear sockets
Gary,
I think you are right, but then every Europa is a little different. I followed the manual very carefully, and have not experienced any real problems, not with tracking anyway. The tire wear is on the outer edge, and when the profile has worn off I reverse the tires to wear the other side. I may do this a couple more times and in theory the tires will actually last longer than with symmetric wear.
The original tires didn't last very long as the rubber was much softer and there is no steel re-enforcement. I now have Michelins.
Karl
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[quote] Subject: RE: Trike Main gear sockets
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:03:50 -0400
From: Gary.Leinberger(at)millersville.edu
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gary Leinberger" <Gary.Leinberger(at)millersville.edu>
I spent a great deal of time trying to engineer a vernier type setting
for adjusting the toe in - but after discussing it with several people
was told it works out - normally - my fear is when I do it I may not get
it just right and have tracking problems - maybe the way to adjust it is
to use creative landings - a friend of mine (to be un-named) managed to
bend his - of course this would only work in one direction -  -
Oin the interest of getting this thing done prior to receiving my first
social security check I am going to go with the manueal and measure
about fifty times -
Gary Leinberger
A237
Slow and Unsteady
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From: owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C
Harrison
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:46 AM
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Trike Main gear sockets
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Robert C Harrison"
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Hi! Michael
IMHO there has been insufficient attention paid to this question of
loaded toe in. G-PTAG is too heavy on tyre wear and when winched
backwards up the trailer ramps the reverse toe is really excessive. I
last used washing up soap on the ramps which shows the tyre scrubbing
instead of deforming.
It almost calls for a control system at the top of the gear legs to be
able to "vernier" the toe setting?
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject: Trike Main gear sockets |
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Hi! All/Karl Heindl
I’m wondering if you’d kindly share the detail sizes, specification and source of the Michelin Tyres you are using. I would like to order my next set to do my own comparison …..prices and all ? I have recently replaced mine and have been using a more square profile of tyre recommended by Watts Tyres but must confess I haven’t the detail without removing spats to inspect them.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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kheindl(at)msn.com
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject: Trike Main gear sockets |
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BoB,
My Michelin tires are from ACS , 500x5, part no. 06-00016. It seems a vey tough tire, but I have no idea how it
compares to the other makes. They also have the really expensive Michelin air tires, which would be worth getting
if they last at least twice as long as the cheaper ones.
Cheers,
Karl
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Subject: RE: Trike Main gear sockets
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:29:12 +0100
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Hi! All/Karl Heindl
I’m wondering if you’d kindly share the detail sizes, specification and source of the Michelin Tyres you are using. I would like to order my next set to do my own comparison …..prices and all ? I have recently replaced mine and have been using a more square profile of tyre recommended by Watts Tyres but must confess I haven’t the detail without removing spats to inspect them.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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topglock(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:20 am Post subject: Trike Main gear sockets |
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Bob,
My recommendation is that you save your money. My experience is that
the Michelin's last no longer than the standard McCreary 4 ply tire
supplied by Europa. When I changed my mains, at 150 hours, I replaced
them with Michelin 6 ply 5.00x5s and began running 40psi pressure.
While I really liked the rigidity of the 6 ply tire and the vastly
improved ground handling, the tread wear was identical to the stock 4
ply tires (150 hours). Upon changing them out at the 300 hour mark, I
switched back to McCreary, but went with the 6ply offering. At almost
400 hours on the plane, tread wear seems to be in line with the other
tires, however I'm still enjoying the improved ground handling
characteristics of the Michelins and at about half the cost. I also
opted for one of the leak/air stop tubes (I don't remember the brand)
when I changed tires the first time. Now I can go a full oil change
cycle without airing up the tires...
Hope this helps...
Jeff - Baby Blue - Headed to Sun'n'Fun this weekend...
380 hours
Robert C Harrison wrote:
[quote] Hi! All/Karl Heindl
I’m wondering if you’d kindly share the detail sizes, specification and
source of the Michelin Tyres you are using. I would like to order my
next set to do my own comparison …..prices and all ? I have recently
replaced mine and have been using a more square profile of tyre
recommended by Watts Tyres but must confess I haven’t the detail without
removing spats to inspect them.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: Trike Main gear sockets |
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I have tried every brand of tire available on the market, and none of them last any longer than any others. I've even tried the top of the line Goodyear Flight Custom II's........no better. Now I simply buy "re-treads" and save a bunch of money.
Garry Stout
Trigear, 460 hours
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