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greytex

Joined: 29 May 2006
Posts: 28

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  I think you will find the RV-10 plans are pretty easy to comprehend.

  

 John

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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

Chuck, 

If you haven't been there go to Tim Olson's site   www.myrv10.com he has a section called gotchas, you can also get some great pics and instruction off Mike Howe's site  http://www.etigerrr.com/RV10HomePage.htm. There are many little things, none really too serious. Stick to the plans, ask for help if you need it here. My biggest tip is read the plans thoroughly, cleco stuff together to see how it all fits before you break out the drill, dimple dies or any other metal altering tools. It is really like a big erector set. Welcome and best of luck. 

Rick S. 

40185

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ricksked(at)embarqmail.co
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

Oh yeah....the plans are NOT an issue with the RV-10....the other models are different in that if you have some mechanical drawing skills they are not too bad, otherwise it is another skill you need to pickup. The RV-10 is a breeze compared to the others. 

Rick S. 

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rene(at)felker.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

I found the plans really easy to follow.  Tim has a list of gotchas on his site, myrv10.com.  

   

http://www.myrv10.com/tips/index.html  

   

   

     

Rene'  

801-721-6080  

  

   

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VHMUM(at)bigpond.com
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

Probably the best plans you will ever get especialy  compared to the old days, + with everything pre punched . If it dosnt fit its in  the wrong place.

 Just follow the plans and any dramas check the  archives and if the answer is not there then ask on the list.

  

 The sooner you start the sooner you will  finish

  

 have fun Chris 388

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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

Tim has a list of gotchas and things to watch for on his website at www.myrv10.com.  This would be a good site to read through as you go and as time permits.  Lots of great info.  Also, just keep any e-mails that you think might be helpful down the road and look through them when you have questions (or read the archives, but searching e-mails is easier and faster, IMHO, than using the archives online).

Welcome to the community.



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Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com (jesse(at)saintaviation.com)

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



 



On Jan 18, 2008, at 9:54 PM, Chuck Henry wrote:

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		  Greetings RV 10 Enthusiasts,

 

I will be receiving my RV 10 empennage and tail kit this Wednesday providing the weather holds.  With great interest I have been following this forum for about 6 weeks now and wondering how I will retain all the subjects which flow through here.  My question to individuals here is what are some of the pitfalls I can anticipate as I move through the tail feathers?  One of the complaints I have read from a large portion of participants is the difficulty Van’s creates by having a set of plans which are hard to follow, any comments?

 

Any forewarning on any aspect of the build would be greatly appreciated...

 

Thanks,

 

Chuck Henry #40802  Tail kit on the way



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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

I'd have to agree.  I think the plans are probably one of, if not

the primary, things that make the RV-10 so easy to build.  There

are so many people...nearly all of the other kit builders, who have

it so much worse than we do.  The only thing we lack is real

communications regarding some minor updates, and perhaps a little

rough phone support at times, but in general, most builders should

be able to do without anything but their plans, and a forum where

they can ask questions.



One of the nice things about participating here is that you can

ask questions, and get answers, in very short order, so you don't

get delayed...almost any time of day or night, you can get

questions answered.  Also, being an individual email type list,

you can create subfolders, and sort and file all of the juicy tidbits

you get, and create your own personal favorites type gathering of

messages.  Just hang out, ask questions, and you should be able to

get most everything you need to know to build the kit.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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John Cram wrote:

[quote] I think you will find the RV-10 plans are pretty easy to comprehend.

  

 John

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dogsbark(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

kearney(at)shaw.ca
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

Hi Tim



I will be messing around with my panel layout this weekend and have been

checking your website for info. 



I have looked at how you mounted your radio trays and have a couple of

questions. First, was it 1/16" extrusion used to brace the trays.



Secondly, was any additional bracing used. In my PA28, there is a strap that

runs from the bottom tray to a support (it braces the back of the trays and

keeps them from sagging *I suppose*).



Inquiring minds need to know....



Cheers



Les

#40643 - Officially now out of section 29!

kearney(at)shaw.ca
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:08 am Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

Chuck  

   

On of the best things you can do for each kit is to sort and organize the parts. What I used was several small parts trays to sort the individual bits and bobs. I labelled the parts bins so I knew what was in each.   

   

That advantage of this is that small parts don’t get lost in the folds of a paper bag and tossed. As well it means you can easily find just about anything.  

   

What I also do was for things that wouldn’t fit in small parts trays is to take each subkit and put it in its entirety into a long plastic “under the bed” storage container that I got at Wal-Mart. Except for skins and really large parts, everything generally fit. Then when I needed a specific part, I would just look at the kit list, find the part and know which bin it was in. Skins and really large parts were stored separately and of course easy to locate.   

   

As I started a new section, I would “pull” all of the components required and put them in a plastic bin. You can find most if not all of the parts numbers just by looking at the picture at the start of each section. Of course there is less of a chance of missing oversize parts such as a 10’ spar. Anyway, as I moved on through construction, parts that were not ready for installation etc were put back in the bin so they wouldn’t get lost in my work area (aka the garage).  

   

DO NOT skip inventorying parts. Do it alone so you can concentrate and do it bag by bag, sub kit by subkit on a clean work bench. Vans missed a couple of parts on both my orders so far. There are also some very small parts (drill bushings etc) in the paper backs so you need to be very careful that you find everything on the bag lists. Pretty much all of the bag contents will fit into small parts trays or small covered bins.    

   

If you want, I can send you may bag list labels that have been set up for Avery computer labels.  

   

Cheers  

   

Les  

#40643 – Officially out of section 29  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Henry

 Sent: January-18-08 7:55 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Incoming Empennage Kit  

  

   

Greetings RV 10 Enthusiasts,  

   

I will be receiving my RV 10 empennage and tail kit this Wednesday providing the weather holds.  With great interest I have been following this forum for about 6 weeks now and wondering how I will retain all the subjects which flow through here.  My question to individuals here is what are some of the pitfalls I can anticipate as I move through the tail feathers?  One of the complaints I have read from a large portion of participants is the difficulty Van’s creates by having a set of plans which are hard to follow, any comments?  

   

Any forewarning on any aspect of the build would be greatly appreciated...  

   

Thanks,   

   

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

I believe that I used 1/8" next to the stack. 1/16" may work, but

I wanted it beefy. I didn't run any horizontal strapping, but, the

stack fits through the subpanel, which has some angle riveted

around the hole, and the radios lay on top of that angle with

a rubber strip on the bottom, so they kind of rest on the subpanel

with the long length of the mounting tubes.  I installed the angle

on the bottom edge of the hole after mounting the radios and

panel temporarily so that it would be just the right height to

support it.



It's not at all wiggly/wobbly, and everything feels very solid.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Les Kearney wrote:

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		   Hi Tim

 

 I will be messing around with my panel layout this weekend and have been

 checking your website for info. 

 

 I have looked at how you mounted your radio trays and have a couple of

 questions. First, was it 1/16" extrusion used to brace the trays.

 

 Secondly, was any additional bracing used. In my PA28, there is a strap that

 runs from the bottom tray to a support (it braces the back of the trays and

 keeps them from sagging *I suppose*).

 

 Inquiring minds need to know....

 

 Cheers

 

 Les

 #40643 - Officially now out of section 29!

rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

You will indeed find "more later" from everyone. Just do your part and 

contribute back for those behind you. As you can tell most of us follow that 

philosophy.

Welcome to the RV-10 world!

Pascal

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millstees(at)ameritech.ne
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:21 am Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

Les:



Check out a product called Radio Rax.  Although they are kind of pricey, I

used them in my panel, and they have worked out real well.  The big

advantace is that they are infinately adjustable.



Steve Mills N750SM (reserved)

RV-10 40486 Slow-build  Eggenfellner E-6TI

Naperville, Illinois 

Finishing kit, engine install

 

 



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n212pj(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

Ach, you got nothing to worry about.  The plans are  easy to follow.  Plus, there are plenty of folks on this list that will  help with the most basic of questions.  You've got Tim's myRV10.com site  which will get you most of what you might need to think about, plus links to  other sites, all of which are very helpful.  If you are using Outlook or  Thunderbird or some such email program, just start making subfolders for your  RV10 folder...I must have twenty of them or more.  Seats, doors, panel,  wiring, wings, lights, electrical, and so on.  You'll get some very good  posts that you can move and store for future reference.   

  

 Les gave advice about taking a good inventory and sorting  things out into like minded parts.  This is good advice and well worth  the time and effort.  You will be paid back in efficiences many fold.   Do it.  Labeling and all.  

  

 Practice.  Do some riveting, so deburring, some  drilling to size, and so on.  Make sure you get good tools and for the ones  that use compressed air and go blam blam blam, make sure you have a pressure  valve that will help you regulate the strength of the blams.  That way your  rudder won't come out with many dents from overly hard hitting.   

  

 You'll be fine.  When you get discouraged, and you  will from time-to-time, just remember that it's a long distance run, not a  sprint, and if you need to vent, this is the perfect place to do so.   

  

 John Jessen

   #40328  www.jessen-rv10.com



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck  Henry

Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:55 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Incoming Empennage  Kit

 

  

Greetings RV 10  Enthusiasts, 

  

I will be receiving my RV 10 empennage and tail kit this  Wednesday providing the weather holds.  With great interest I have been  following this forum for about 6 weeks now and wondering how I will retain all  the subjects which flow through here.  My question to individuals here is  what are some of the pitfalls I can anticipate as I move through the tail  feathers?  One of the complaints I have read from a large portion of  participants is the difficulty Van’s creates by having a set of plans which are  hard to follow, any comments? 

  

Any forewarning on any aspect of the build would be  greatly appreciated... 

  

Thanks,  

  

Chuck Henry #40802  Tail kit on the  way

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bcondrey

Joined: 03 Apr 2006
Posts: 580

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:06 am Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

Kind of "piling on", but the plans are completely different that what

you might have heard about or seen with the 2 place RVs.  I also want to

echo the advice that somebody else posted - if the parts don't fit then

it's highly likely that you've got them together wrong!  



This list is a tremendous resource, if you run into something that you

have questions on or is giving you fits just post a note.  You'll get a

response (or a lot of them) back amazingly fast!



Bob #40105

So close...



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rv10builder(at)verizon.ne
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

John;

 Interesting you recommend Tim's site, yet make no  mention of your great site for the Empennage.

 It was a large part of my basis for those first few  sections. http://www.soundingsresearch.com/RV-10/Home.htm or  the www.jessen-rv10.com under  your name. Great site for step by step..

  

 Pascal

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MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

Welcome aboard Chuck.  As everyone has said, the plans and kit parts are of the highest quality, particularly the Emp kit in my opinion.  There will be an inventory issue or 2 so do it as recommended.  (I got rudder counterweights from an RV7 - try to pick that one up!)

 

 It seems to me the challenge in starting out is getting a set of tools and learning the basics of deburring, drilling, riveting, etc.  I'm an experienced hobbyist, woodworker, and know my way around a shop but I had never worked with, or seen anyone, work with sheet metal.  I got my training from a week in Griffin GA.  You can get it from a fellow  builder.  But I think if you do it entirely on your own without spending a few hours with another builder just seeing some of that stuff done once - you will spend more time learning than you need to. Having said that, you could have this kit delivered to a mountain top hideaway and do the whole thing successfully as long as you have net access.  

 

 Damn this if fun.

 

 Bill "fidgeting while moving all the big pieces around gearing up for that glass top class in Watsonville" Watson

 

 Chuck Henry wrote: [quote]                   

Greetings RV 10 Enthusiasts,   

    

I will be receiving my RV 10 empennage and tail kit this Wednesday providing the weather holds.  With great interest I have been following this forum for about 6 weeks now and wondering how I will retain all the subjects which flow through here.  My question to individuals here is what are some of the pitfalls I can anticipate as I move through the tail feathers?  One of the complaints I have read from a large portion of participants is the difficulty Van’s creates by having a set of plans which are hard to follow, any comments?   

    

Any forewarning on any aspect of the build would be greatly appreciated...   

    

Thanks,    

    

Chuck Henry #40802  Tail kit on the way   

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Lew Gallagher

Joined: 04 Jan 2008
Posts: 402
Location: Greenville , SC

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Incoming Empennage Kit

Hey Chuck,



Here's a specific as you get started on your vertical stabilizer.  Our kit came with the reinforcement plate for the top hinge (see Van's service bulletin http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/sb06-2-3.pdf ) but there was no mention of it in the plans.  So not knowing what it was, we set it aside, plowed through, then later stumbled upon the bulletin and had to drill out the rivets and install it after the fact.  You'd think they'd have put a notice in the instructions.  Now we know to check for bulletins and others observations BEFORE we build!



Later, - Lew

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tganster

Joined: 23 Oct 2007
Posts: 28

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

The most recent emp kit does have the upper hinge reinforcement as part of

the HS plans. Also get some help from a neighbor, friend or family member.

Building with someone is a lot more fun!



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kearney(at)shaw.ca
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: Incoming Empennage Kit

Hi Henry  

   

Here are the labels. The have been set up to print on Avery Label sheets # 02209.   

   

If you go to www.rv10.ca you will see the trays I used. The website is largely incomplete as I have spent my time building rather than creating a website. When time is at a premium you spend it carefully and website stuff fell of the list quite quickly...  

   

If you get 6 or 7 big bins that will be lots. The ones I got were used to store things under a bed and seemed ideal for most of the sub kits.  

   

Cheers  

   

Les  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Henry

 Sent: January-19-08 2:01 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Incoming Empennage Kit  

  

   

Les,  

   

Thank you very much for the ideas and yes I would like to take you up on your offer of the labels.  I have a small label maker but having them printed out at once would be a time savings plus maybe key me along in case something gets misplaced.  I have the work area all positioned with plenty of building area.  I might have to hit Wal-Mart after I get to the inventory to see how many of what I will need.  

   

Thanks, Chuck  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney

 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 10:04 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Incoming Empennage Kit  

  

   

Chuck  

   

On of the best things you can do for each kit is to sort and organize the parts. What I used was several small parts trays to sort the individual bits and bobs. I labelled the parts bins so I knew what was in each.   

   

That advantage of this is that small parts don’t get lost in the folds of a paper bag and tossed. As well it means you can easily find just about anything.  

   

What I also do was for things that wouldn’t fit in small parts trays is to take each subkit and put it in its entirety into a long plastic “under the bed” storage container that I got at Wal-Mart. Except for skins and really large parts, everything generally fit. Then when I needed a specific part, I would just look at the kit list, find the part and know which bin it was in. Skins and really large parts were stored separately and of course easy to locate.   

   

As I started a new section, I would “pull” all of the components required and put them in a plastic bin. You can find most if not all of the parts numbers just by looking at the picture at the start of each section. Of course there is less of a chance of missing oversize parts such as a 10’ spar. Anyway, as I moved on through construction, parts that were not ready for installation etc were put back in the bin so they wouldn’t get lost in my work area (aka the garage).  

   

DO NOT skip inventorying parts. Do it alone so you can concentrate and do it bag by bag, sub kit by subkit on a clean work bench. Vans missed a couple of parts on both my orders so far. There are also some very small parts (drill bushings etc) in the paper backs so you need to be very careful that you find everything on the bag lists. Pretty much all of the bag contents will fit into small parts trays or small covered bins.    

   

If you want, I can send you may bag list labels that have been set up for Avery computer labels.  

   

Cheers  

   

Les  

#40643 – Officially out of section 29  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Henry

 Sent: January-18-08 7:55 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Incoming Empennage Kit  

  

   

Greetings RV 10 Enthusiasts,  

   

I will be receiving my RV 10 empennage and tail kit this Wednesday providing the weather holds.  With great interest I have been following this forum for about 6 weeks now and wondering how I will retain all the subjects which flow through here.  My question to individuals here is what are some of the pitfalls I can anticipate as I move through the tail feathers?  One of the complaints I have read from a large portion of participants is the difficulty Van’s creates by having a set of plans which are hard to follow, any comments?  

   

Any forewarning on any aspect of the build would be greatly appreciated...  

   

Thanks,   

   

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