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jodel(at)nildram.co.uk
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 Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:15 am Post subject: Paint dilemma |
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Some advice from you all please.
I have had my Europa painted by "a person that will remain nameless" who
should know what they are doing. They delivered it back to me in mid
January.
The fuselage was delivered to my house for some more fitting out to be
completed but the wings were delivered direct to the airfield.
They were unloaded from the trailer by myself and "a person that will remain
nameless "and stored in the hangar on a cradle still in the polythene as
delivered.
On checking them last week with my inspector we found that the inside of the
polythene was wet and over the lower third (they are sitting on the LE so
1/3rd back from the LE on upper and lower surfaces) the paint is raised into
thousands of tiny bubbles each around 0.1 to 0.2mm in size. We have removed
the polythene and moved them to an enclosed area of the hangar where we can
leave a fan heater running which raises the ambient temp by about 4 degrees
c.
Photos can be seen at:
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jodel/IMG_7340.JPG
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jodel/IMG_7343.JPG
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jodel/IMG_7344.JPG
The third picture is probably the clearest example of what has occurred.
When this was discovered I phoned the " person that will remain nameless"
and described the problem. He said that once the moisture had dried off the
paint would return to normal. Given that the wings have been sitting in
this enclosed heated area for a week now with no change to the surface
finish finish, what do you think the outcome will be? Do you believe it
will dry out and return? Have you seen this happen? The painter and I are 5
hours drive apart so it is not an easy one to solve!
thanks
Simon
G-BZTN kit 504
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carl(at)flyers.freeserve.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:43 am Post subject: Paint dilemma |
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One crucial thing.
You havent said what paint was used. If it was the Poly***** stuff then i'm
not that surprised. I havent come accross anyone who is happy with the
stuff.
The only paint that should be used is two pack epoxy.
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tonyk(at)kaon.co.nz
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:13 pm Post subject: Paint dilemma |
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| Quote: | > You havent said what paint was used. If it was the Poly***** stuff
then i'm not that surprised. I havent come >>accross anyone who is happy
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with the stuff.
Poly***** discontinued their paint some time ago. It was costing them
too much to pay to have people's aircraft, mine included, repainted when
the the paint failed.
The Sikkens two pot that got put onto my aircraft thanks to them looks
superb though!
Tony
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mikenjulie.parkin(at)btop
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject: Paint dilemma |
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Carl,
Now you know one person that is happy with Topgloss!!
It is a good solution if you want to paint your own aircraft instead of
paying for it to be done.
regards,
MP
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jodel(at)nildram.co.uk
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject: Paint dilemma |
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Sorry, should have said!
It is Akzo-Nobel Aerodur C21/100UVR (two pack polyurethane)
Simon
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sidsel.svein(at)oslo.onli
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: Paint dilemma |
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Simon,
Very sorry to read what happened. I received my fuselage back from the
painter (who I will be proud to name!) in December, and the wings and
control surfaces two weeks ago. I will pass on his advice, although not of
much benefit to you but perhaps to others following in our steps, but first
a word re. the paint: Used Akzo Nobel's Aerodur (two-part), the same as
sold by Europa 2004. Very nice result, glossy and will be even better when
polished (much later!!), according to the painter.
My painter emphasised that the parts should not be wrapped or covered in
anything or in contact with anything preventing evaporation of the wet stuff
for as long as possible, to allow the paint to dry completely. Otherwise
tiny bubbles/blisters would result. He advised strongly against
transporting the wings back to my workshop with any support to the painted
surfaces (dried for one week in his paint shop, after curing at around 30
degr C for several hours following the spraying), so I used the arrangement
made for rotating the wings during painting also for transportation
(supported only at the spar end and at a fitting bolted to the wing tip
light fixture point). Now in my workshop, the wings are suspended from the
ceiling at the same points.
Asking him how soon I could apply vinyl self-sticking stripes etc. on the
painted surfaces, he was most adamant: Not before 3 months have passed,
provided you store the parts at normal room temperature.
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A piece of encouragement to all those who are filling and sanding, or dread
this stage: I kept at it for more than 6 months. Gave up towards the end
on certain areas of the fuselage and had my painter do that (very
professionally done by him), but I persevered on the wings and control
surfaces. Now when I see it all painted, I have almost forgotten the
endless preparation work - it looks so beautiful with that shiny, white
paint, no dust particles, no pinholes - very, very rewarding! Don't give
up!
Regards,
Svein
A225 - XS Trigear - now in Norway - finding that upholstering also takes
time, used 35 hours on just covering the central tunnel with
leather - - - - -
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