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ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com
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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 1:10 pm Post subject: 3300 carb heat

I recently purchased  an ELSA and it was never fitted with carburetor heat. Is this not necessary on  Jabiru engines? It seems they are always on Cont. & Lyc.  carburetor engines.

  

 Thanks,  Tim 

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zeprep251(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 3:54 pm Post subject: 3300 carb heat

Tim,

 My 2200 is on a Kolb MK3 above the wing pusher.Because it is un-cowled, it ices readily in humid cool conditions and is now equipped with an electric conductive heat element mounted on the carb body at the throttle shaft casting nord.If your installation allows warmed air from under the cowl to enter the intake it may be all you need,but the Bing ices.

   G.Aman     

    

  

     

  

     

  

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jlcrowder(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 4:16 pm Post subject: 3300 carb heat

Tim,

What is “nord” ?  I am looking for a place to attach a temperature sensor.  This would seem to be the place.

Jim Crowder

 

From: owner-jabiruengine-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Aman

Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:53 PM

To: jabiruengine-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: 3300 carb heat

 

Tim,

My 2200 is on a Kolb MK3 above the wing pusher.Because it is un-cowled, it ices readily in humid cool conditions and is now equipped with an electric conductive heat element mounted on the carb body at the throttle shaft casting nord.If your installation allows warmed air from under the cowl to enter the intake it may be all you need,but the Bing ices.

  G.Aman     

 



 



 



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ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com
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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 4:16 pm Post subject: 3300 carb heat

Thanks for the information Gary, Is the heat element available  from Jabiru, do you turn it on or is it on all the  time? 

   From:  owner-jabiruengine-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary  Aman

Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:53 PM

To:  jabiruengine-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: 3300  carb heat

Tim,

My 2200 is on a Kolb  MK3 above the wing pusher.Because it is un-cowled, it ices readily in humid cool  conditions and is now equipped with an electric conductive heat element mounted  on the carb body at the throttle shaft casting nord.If your installation allows  warmed air from under the cowl to enter the intake it may be all you need,but  the Bing ices.

  G.Aman     

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From: Tim Yoder <ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com>

To:  jabiruengine-list <jabiruengine-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Sun, May 12,  2013 5:10 pm

Subject: 3300 carb heat

   I recently purchased  an ELSA and it was never fitted with carburetor heat. Is this not necessary on  Jabiru engines? It seems they are always on Cont. & Lyc.  carburetor engines.

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marvinlnaz(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 4:32 pm Post subject: 3300 carb heat

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On May 12, 2013, at 5:15 PM, "Tim Yoder" <ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com (ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com)> wrote:

[quote]     Thanks for the information Gary, Is the heat element available  from Jabiru, do you turn it on or is it on all the  time? 



   From:  owner-jabiruengine-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-jabiruengine-list-server(at)matronics.com)  [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-jabiruengine-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Gary  Aman

Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:53 PM

To:  jabiruengine-list(at)matronics.com (jabiruengine-list(at)matronics.com)

Subject: Re: 3300  carb heat

 

Tim,

My 2200 is on a Kolb  MK3 above the wing pusher.Because it is un-cowled, it ices readily in humid cool  conditions and is now equipped with an electric conductive heat element mounted  on the carb body at the throttle shaft casting nord.If your installation allows  warmed air from under the cowl to enter the intake it may be all you need,but  the Bing ices.

  G.Aman     

 



 



 



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To:  jabiruengine-list <jabiruengine-list(at)matronics.com (jabiruengine-list(at)matronics.com)>

Sent: Sun, May 12,  2013 5:10 pm

Subject: 3300 carb heat



   I recently purchased  an ELSA and it was never fitted with carburetor heat. Is this not necessary on  Jabiru engines? It seems they are always on Cont. & Lyc.  carburetor engines.

  

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djtoddb

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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 5:03 pm Post subject: 3300 carb heat

Here's where to get the Carb heater



 http://motionaero.com/Products-DualHeat.html

Todd Bristol

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        From: James Crowder <jlcrowder(at)gmail.com>

 To: jabiruengine-list(at)matronics.com 

 Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013  5:15 PM

 Subject: RE: 3300 carb heat

  

 

Tim,

What is â€œnordâ€ ?  I am looking for a place to attach a temperature sensor.  This would seem to be the place.

Jim Crowder

  

From:  owner-jabiruengine-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Aman

Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:53 PM

To: jabiruengine-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: 3300 carb heat

  

Tim,

My 2200 is on a Kolb MK3 above the wing pusher.Because it is un-cowled, it ices readily in humid cool conditions and is now equipped with an electric conductive heat element mounted on the carb body at the throttle shaft casting nord.If your installation allows warmed air from under the cowl to enter the intake it may be all you need,but the Bing ices.

  G.Aman     

  



  



  



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JohnDRead(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 5:12 pm Post subject: 3300 carb heat

The carb heat from Jabiru has two levels controlled by switches. Can recall  the cost as it was part of the FWF package with the engine.

  

 Regards,  John



CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300



Cell: 719-494-4567

Home:  303-648-3261   

  In a message dated 5/12/2013 7:04:13 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  djtoddb(at)yahoo.com writes:

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    http://motionaero.com/Products-DualHeat.html

   



      Todd Bristol

   Great Entertainment isn't    expensive... It's Priceless!

   Interactive Entertainment Events, DJs and Game    Shows

   Mesa, Arizona

   480-755-4200

   www.djs4u.com

www.gameshowsamerica.com

www.condopenasco.com



   



    



   



               From:    James Crowder <jlcrowder(at)gmail.com>

To: jabiruengine-list(at)matronics.com    

Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013    5:15 PM

Subject: RE:    3300 carb heat



   

                Tim,

   What    is â€œnordâ€ ?  I am looking for a place to attach a temperature    sensor.  This would seem to be the place.

   Jim    Crowder

    

   From:    owner-jabiruengine-list-server(at)matronics.com    [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary    Aman

Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 4:53 PM

To:    jabiruengine-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: JabiruEngine-List: 3300    carb heat

    

   Tim,

My    2200 is on a Kolb MK3 above the wing pusher.Because it is un-cowled, it ices    readily in humid cool conditions and is now equipped with an electric    conductive heat element mounted on the carb body at the throttle shaft casting    nord.If your installation allows warmed air from under the cowl to enter the    intake it may be all you need,but the Bing ices.

  G.Aman        

       



       



       



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Sent:    Sun, May 12, 2013 5:10 pm

Subject: 3300 carb    heat

            I    recently purchased an ELSA and it was never fitted with carburetor heat. Is    this not necessary on Jabiru engines? It seems they are always on Cont. &    Lyc. carburetor engines.



       



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matronics(at)rtist.nl
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Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 9:54 pm Post subject: 3300 carb heat

Just to be pedantic, there is no electric carb heat *from* Jabiru.     There are several 3rd party sources for electric carb heat *for*     Jabiru, or even more accurate, for Bing carburettors. MotionAero     being one of them. 

     

     They all work on the same principle, a module with one or two heater     elements (big resistors) that gets attached to the opposite side of     the throttle lever. They usually generate between 30W and 70W of     heat and seem to work well to keep ice from forming in the venturi.

     

     Jabiru recommends an air filter box that can accept hot air as carb     heat, see their installation manual.

     

     Rob

     

     On 5/13/2013 3:12 AM, JohnDRead(at)aol.com (JohnDRead(at)aol.com)       wrote:

     

     [quote]                              The carb heat from Jabiru has two levels controlled by           switches. Can recall the cost as it was part of the FWF           package with the engine.

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         Regards, John

             

             CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300

             

             Cell: 719-494-4567

             Home: 303-648-3261

         

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zeprep251(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:22 am Post subject: 3300 carb heat

Jim,

 I'll let you research the (nord).I have always considered it an un-machined out-cropping on a casting.As for the placement of that temperature sensor,that would depend on whether it is an oral or rectal model.Pun intended,have a good day James!  

    

  

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zeprep251(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:29 am Post subject: 3300 carb heat

Tim,

 It's switched on 2 levels.The one from Jabiru  is what I have but the link the guys provided to the after market one is where I would go.The price is similar but mine has failed already and the other type has got to be more rugged.

 G.A. 

    

  

     

  

     

  

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zcrj90(at)yahoo.co.uk
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 7:55 am Post subject: 3300 carb heat

In my experience Jab engines aren't prone to carby ice. I've don't think I've ever had it in the air in 1500 hrs of flying Jabs. I don't do regular 6 min carb heat checks though I do have a play with it now and again at the beginning of  a trip. 

I've never had carby ice on the ground but I know  of a two 3300's that have had it while taxiing out. Even one with the little electric thing bolted to the carby. 

My engine does get a bit of ice as every so often, how do I know?, it eats a small blob of water an tells me it has, then my alarm system says 'what was that' (my wife bless her). Or if I have the bowl off there's a little ball of water in the fuel sometimes. I think this comes from taxiing in and it melts after shut down.

What would one do if one met those ideal conditions for carby ice  and your light bulb sized heater on the side of the carby can't cope, or it pops and you haven't checked it lately and you don't have that knob in the panel. At worse, land if you can, at best get a fright.

Would I fly a Jab engine without a hot air carby heat?, nope,  

Regards, Clive

        From: Rob Turk <matronics(at)rtist.nl>

 To: jabiruengine-list(at)matronics.com 

 Sent: Monday, 13 May 2013, 6:53

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                   Just to be pedantic, there is no electric carb heat *from* Jabiru.     There are several 3rd party sources for electric carb heat *for*     Jabiru, or even more accurate, for Bing carburettors. MotionAero     being one of them. 

     

     They all work on the same principle, a module with one or two heater     elements (big resistors) that gets attached to the opposite side of     the throttle lever. They usually generate between 30W and 70W of     heat and seem to work well to keep ice from forming in the venturi.

     

     Jabiru recommends an air filter box that can accept hot air as carb     heat, see their installation manual.

     

     Rob

     

     On 5/13/2013 3:12 AM, JohnDRead(at)aol.com (JohnDRead(at)aol.com)       wrote:

     

     [quote]                              The carb heat from Jabiru has two levels controlled by           switches. Can recall the cost as it was part of the FWF           package with the engine.

          

         Regards, John

             

             CH701 - Colorado - Jabiru 3300

             

             Cell: 719-494-4567

             Home: 303-648-3261

         

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ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:02 pm Post subject: 3300 carb heat

Thanks to everyone for the helpful  input.....Tim

   From:  owner-jabiruengine-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-jabiruengine-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  Clive

Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 8:54 AM

To:  jabiruengine-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re:  3300 carb heat

  In my experience Jab engines aren't prone to carby ice. I've don't  think I've ever had it in the air in 1500 hrs of flying Jabs. I don't do regular  6 min carb heat checks though I do have a play with it now and again at the  beginning of  a trip. 

 I've  never had carby ice on the ground but I know  of a two 3300's that have had  it while taxiing out. Even one with the little electric thing bolted to the  carby. 

 My  engine does get a bit of ice as every so often, how do I know?, it eats a small  blob of water an tells me it has, then my alarm system says 'what was that' (my  wife bless her). Or if I have the bowl off there's a little ball of water in the  fuel sometimes. I think this comes from taxiing in and it melts after shut  down.

 What  would one do if one met those ideal conditions for carby ice and your light bulb  sized heater on the side of the carby can't cope, or it pops and you haven't  checked it lately and you don't have that knob in the panel. At worse, land if  you can, at best get a fright.

 Would  I fly a Jab engine without a hot air carby heat?, nope,  

 Regards,  Clive

     From: Rob  Turk <matronics(at)rtist.nl>

To: jabiruengine-list(at)matronics.com  

Sent: Monday, 13 May 2013,  6:53

Subject:  Re: 3300 carb heat

  Just to be pedantic, there is no electric carb heat *from* Jabiru. There  are several 3rd party sources for electric carb heat *for* Jabiru, or even more  accurate, for Bing carburettors. MotionAero being one of them. 

They all  work on the same principle, a module with one or two heater elements (big  resistors) that gets attached to the opposite side of the throttle lever. They  usually generate between 30W and 70W of heat and seem to work well to keep ice  from forming in the venturi.

Jabiru recommends an air filter box that can  accept hot air as carb heat, see their installation manual.

Rob

 On 5/13/2013 3:12 AM, JohnDRead(at)aol.com (JohnDRead(at)aol.com) wrote:

 [quote]   The carb heat from Jabiru has two levels controlled by switches. Can    recall the cost as it was part of the FWF package with the engine.

   Regards, John

CH701 -    Colorado - Jabiru 3300

Cell: 719-494-4567

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zeprep251(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:08 pm Post subject: 3300 carb heat

Clive,

 My engine never shut down at cruise power settings,although it did get really rough as it ingested the ice chunks.If there is fog the elements are ripe for ice,but you can have ice at temps in the 60'sF if the humidity is high.The only time it might cause the engine to quit would probably be at reduced power settings and almost for sure at idle on decent.

 G.Aman

    

  

     

  

     

  

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zcrj90(at)yahoo.co.uk
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 11:19 pm Post subject: 3300 carb heat

Thanks Gary, power to the argument for hot air carb heat.

I forgot to mention I do use carb heat as I reduce power below 2000.

I'd feel lost without it but as Gary's says and my experience is, ice forms best at low revs when there is the biggest pressure drop across the carby.

Remembering of course, foggy mistys days are not necessarily the worst days for carb icing conditions. They are just when you think about it...

As with all these things it's your plane and you can do what you like!

Regards, Clive

        From: Gary Aman <zeprep251(at)aol.com>

 To: jabiruengine-list(at)matronics.com 

 Sent: Tuesday, 14 May  2013, 1:08

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Clive,

 My engine never shut down at cruise power settings,although it did get really rough as it ingested the ice chunks.If there is fog the elements are ripe for ice,but you can have ice at temps in the 60'sF if the humidity is high.The only time it might cause the engine to quit would probably be at reduced power settings and almost for sure at idle on decent.

 G.Aman

    

  

     

  

     

  

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