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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject: Matco nose wheel tire and tube

Hey Kelley McMullen

 

I believe that you had a definite opinion on the Matco nose wheel verse the Beringer.  Do you know what Dresser tire and tube combination the Matco wheel needs?

 

 Regards,  

 

Rick

#40956

Southampton, Ont

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1704
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:00 pm Post subject: Matco nose wheel tire and tube

I got what Tim Olsen recommended on his web site.

"The PROPER Wheel is the NW511.25.  Yes, that is right...they sell you 

the WRONG wheel, on purpose, to save them headaches.  You can just order 

the WHLNW511.25 from Matco and skip the other one in your kit...and buy 

the Matco Axle at the same time, because the standard Van's axle is 

going to cause you headaches in the long run too. Then, skip the tube 

that comes with the kit too....get your tubes for all tires from Desser 

Tire.  What you want for the front is the 500-5 "Leakguard" Butyl Tube 

with the TR-67 Valve 

<http://www.desser.com/store/products/500%252d5-%22LEAKGUARD%22-BUTYL-TUBE--%28TR%252d67-VALVE%29.html>.   

So with your new nosewheel, new leakguard tube, and new axle, your 

nosewheel will be complete and give you hundreds of hours of trouble 

free service.



Now for the mains...  Personally, especially after switching to the 

Desser Leakguard tube for the mains (15/600-6 size), I haven't had 

interference issues on the mains.  However, I've heard from a couple 

builders who have...the valve cap comes dangerously close to the cotter 

pin on the nut used to hold the wheel on.  Although I've only used the 

Van's tube, and the Desser Leakguard tubes, I think the clearance was 

better with the Leakguards.  But, there is a better way.  What you want 

is the Desser 15/600-6 "Leakguard" Butyl Tube with the "New Easy Valve" 

<http://www.desser.com/store/products/15%7B47%7D600%252d6-%22LEAKGUARD%22-BUTYL-TUBE-%28NEW-EASY-FLATE-VALVE%29.html>.  

Once you switch to the Leakguards, you'll be adding air far less often, 

and the "New Easy Valve" will eliminate any possibility of interference 

issues for you.  So skip the tubes on your kit order also.  Personally, 

I've also found that the Desser 15/600-6 "High Performance Retreads" 

<http://www.desser.com/store/products/15%7B47%7D600%252d6-6-PLY-HIGH-PERFORMANCE-RETREAD-AIRCRAFT-TIRE.html> 

gave better tire life at a low cost, too, so if it were me building 

again, I'd skip ordering ALL the tires and tubes from Van's, and just 

order all of them from Desser.  The nose tire is the "500-5 6-Ply Aero 

Classic Vintage" 

<http://www.desser.com/store/products/500%252d5-6-PLY-AERO-CLASSIC-VINTAGE-AIRCRAFT-TIRE.html> 

tire.  Then you'll get all 3 tubes, and 3 tires, from Desser 

<http://www.desser.com>, and the nose axle and wheel from Matco 

<http://www.matcomfg.com/>. The only thing to get from Van's is the 

Cleveland main wheels themselves."

So credit Tim with doing the research. The only thing I did different is 

to get both main and nose tires as retreads.

On 9/4/2012 8:35 PM, Rick Lark wrote:

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		   Hey Kelley McMullen

 I believe that you had a definite opinion on the Matco nose wheel 

 verse the Beringer.  Do you know what Dresser tire and tube 

 combination the Matco wheel needs?

 Regards,

 Rick

 #40956

 Southampton, Ont

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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:23 pm Post subject: Matco nose wheel tire and tube

same as the stock tire!

    

  From: Rick Lark (larkrv10(at)gmail.com) 

 Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 8:35 PM

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 Subject: Matco nose wheel tire and tube

  



  Hey Kelley McMullen

  

 I believe that you had a definite opinion on the Matco nose wheel verse the  Beringer.  Do you know what Dresser tire and tube combination the Matco  wheel needs?

  

 Regards,  

  

 Rick

 #40956

 Southampton, Ont

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Kelly McMullen

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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:36 pm Post subject: Matco nose wheel tire and tube

Yeah, I mis-read the question. Vans supplies the correct tire, wrong tube, if you buy from them. Along with the wrong wheel.  Follow Tim's recommendations, get the wheel and axle from Matco, tires and tubes from Desser. While I haven't done the wheel pants yet, mine is sitting on the wheels and tires, and Tim's recommendations on tubes are right on to avoid issues with valve stems.

 

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[quote]     same as the stock tire!

    

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 Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 8:35 PM

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 Subject: Matco nose wheel tire and tube

  



  Hey Kelley McMullen

  

 I believe that you had a definite opinion on the Matco nose wheel verse the  Beringer.  Do you know what Dresser tire and tube combination the Matco  wheel needs?

  

 Regards,  

  

 Rick

 #40956

 Southampton, Ont



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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:44 am Post subject: Matco nose wheel tire and tube

Kelly excellent summary!

You have made my last couple of decisions required for the finish kit much 

easier.



Thx for all your help.



Rick

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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:01 am Post subject: Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube

I originally ordered Van's wheels, tires, tubes. Here is what I found out after going through it all and now flying for 76.9 hrs. 



The Leak stop tubes from Van's hold air just fine. Aired up once in 9 months.



Van's main tube stems clear just fine. I ordered the new improved main tubes from Desser and they will clear even better once installed.



Van's nose tube valve stem is supposed to exit in center of wheel at splitline. The orig wheel had one half notched out for valve stem. I ordered the "recommended" part# which had the other half notched. Yes, it provided more nose fork-stem clearance but the rigid valve stem needed to exit in the center at splitline. So, my recommendation is to just modify the orig Van's wheel half to provide stem clearance and save your money and Matco's time.



Van's tires are 1/4"-3/8" out of round. Don't even attempt to static balance an out of round tire. If you have had vibrations in a car after the tire shop said they balanced your tires then that was probably the reason. Your aircraft tires rotate twice the rpm and with 3/8" run out is part of the reason some of us have gear vibration problems. When I am heavy, I have much reduced  or no resonance. 



So, I would recommend not purchasing Van's supplied main tires or main tubes. Also purchase Matco Axle.

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Ed Godfrey

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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:15 am Post subject: Matco nose wheel tire and tube

Rick,

         Thanks for the reply. I see that Kelly replied to you and that     was great information. I have my finishing kit and am working on the     doors & cabin top. It is all of the fun that they say it is.

     

     Ed

     40717

      

     On 9/4/2012 10:35 PM, Rick Lark wrote:

     

     [quote]       Hey Kelley McMullen

        

       I believe that you had a definite opinion on the Matco nose         wheel verse the Beringer.  Do you know what Dresser tire and         tube combination the Matco wheel needs?

        

       Regards,  

        

       Rick

       #40956

       Southampton, Ont

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1704
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:36 am Post subject: Matco nose wheel tire and tube

If you make the choices before ordering, there is no difference in cost. 

Matco charges the same for both what Van's sells and the correct Matco 

wheel for the tire size. The wheel Van's supplies is intended for a 

different size tire. The Matco axle gets rid of the issue of having nose 

axle torque being critical and potential for axle/spacers galling the 

nose fork.

Valve stem clearance is just an extra bonus.



On 9/5/2012 5:02 AM, rv10flyer wrote:

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 I originally ordered Van's wheels, tires, tubes. Here is what I found out after going through it all and now flying for 76.9 hrs.



 The Leak stop tubes from Van's hold air just fine. Aired up once in 9 months.



 Van's main tube stems clear just fine. I ordered the new improved main tubes from Desser and they will clear even better once installed.



 Van's nose tube valve stem is supposed to exit in center of wheel at splitline. The orig wheel had one half notched out for valve stem. I ordered the "recommended" part# which had the other half notched. Yes, it provided more nose fork-stem clearance but the rigid valve stem needed to exit in the center at splitline. So, my recommendation is to just modify the orig Van's wheel half to provide stem clearance and save your money and Matco's time.



 Van's tires are 1/4"-3/8" out of round. Don't even attempt to static balance an out of round tire. If you have had vibrations in a car after the tire shop said they balanced your tires then that was probably the reason. Your aircraft tires rotate twice the rpm and with 3/8" run out is part of the reason some of us have gear vibration problems. When I am heavy, I have much reduced  or no resonance.



 So, I would recommend not purchasing Van's supplied main tires or main tubes. Also purchase Matco Axle.



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rv10flyer

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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube

I had Van's supplied nose wheel and the one many recommended on here and vaf. The only difference was which half had the machined slot for the brass valve stem. The valve stem on the tube exits from the centerline, not off to the side. Either wheel part# needs to be modified. If you order from Matco, I would think they will charge shipping. So, the reason I recommend modifying the one that comes in the kit.

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1704
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:42 pm Post subject: Matco nose wheel tire and tube

Well it has been some time since I mounted my nose wheel, tube and tire, 

but no modification at all was needed(but my memory isn't what it used 

to be). I vaguely recall I had to do a couple looksees to figure out how 

the tube stem needed to be inserted.  I did get both the recommended 

Matco wheel and the tube Tim recommended. Went together just as 

designed, and is holding air just fine 7-8 months later.

Kelly



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 I had Van's supplied nose wheel and the one many recommended on here and vaf. The only difference was which half had the machined slot for the brass valve stem. The valve stem on the tube exits from the centerline, not off to the side. Either wheel part# needs to be modified. If you order from Matco, I would think they will charge shipping. So, the reason I recommend modifying the one that comes in the kit.



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larkrv10(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:02 pm Post subject: Matco nose wheel tire and tube

Right on Wayne, Les Kearny also recommended doing that.  I saved his reply and will re-think/re-look at my decision.

 

Regards,  Rick

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 I had Van's supplied nose wheel and the one many recommended on here and vaf. The only difference was which half had the machined slot for the brass valve stem. The valve stem on the tube exits from the centerline, not off to the side. Either wheel part# needs to be modified. If you order from Matco, I would think they will charge shipping. So, the reason I recommend modifying the one that comes in the kit.

  

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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:05 pm Post subject: Matco nose wheel tire and tube

Thx Wayne I appreciate your opinion.  Nothing better than first hand experience.

 

Rick

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 [quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: "rv10flyer" <wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com (wayne.gillispie(at)gmail.com)>

  

 I originally ordered Van's wheels, tires, tubes. Here is what I found out after going through it all and now flying for 76.9 hrs.

 

 The Leak stop tubes from Van's hold air just fine. Aired up once in 9 months.

 

 Van's main tube stems clear just fine. I ordered the new improved main tubes from Desser and they will clear even better once installed.

 

 Van's nose tube valve stem is supposed to exit in center of wheel at splitline. The orig wheel had one half notched out for valve stem. I ordered the "recommended" part# which had the other half notched. Yes, it provided more nose fork-stem clearance but the rigid valve stem needed to exit in the center at splitline. So, my recommendation is to just modify the orig Van's wheel half to provide stem clearance and save your money and Matco's time.

  

 Van's tires are 1/4"-3/8" out of round. Don't even attempt to static balance an out of round tire. If you have had vibrations in a car after the tire shop said they balanced your tires then that was probably the reason. Your aircraft tires rotate twice the rpm and with 3/8" run out is part of the reason some of us have gear vibration problems. When I am heavy, I have much reduced  or no resonance.

  

 So, I would recommend not purchasing Van's supplied main tires or main tubes. Also purchase Matco Axle.

 

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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:29 pm Post subject: Matco nose wheel tire and tube

You do need the Matco axle. The Van's axle has shown problems that cause nose fork wear. If you are ordering from them anyway, why not get the right wheel, that needs NO modification and costs the same as what Van's supplies:?

 

On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Rick Lark <larkrv10(at)gmail.com (larkrv10(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote] Right on Wayne, Les Kearny also recommended doing that.  I saved his reply and will re-think/re-look at my decision.

 

Regards,  Rick

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 I had Van's supplied nose wheel and the one many recommended on here and vaf. The only difference was which half had the machined slot for the brass valve stem. The valve stem on the tube exits from the centerline, not off to the side. Either wheel part# needs to be modified. If you order from Matco, I would think they will charge shipping. So, the reason I recommend modifying the one that comes in the kit.

   

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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:05 am Post subject: Re: Matco nose wheel tire and tube

Rick,

The Matco Axle  allows you to properly set the bearing pre-load and to keep the bearings from spinning against the axle.  With the Matco axle you adjust the bearing tension independently of the axle bolt.  I believe someone else also has a solution out there which replaces the spacers that Vans supplies with ones that will properly contact the inside race of the wheel bearing to allow pre-load of the bearing.  The reports have been that using all the stock Vans supplied parts will eventually allow the bearing to spin around the axle and wear out the axle and the spacers.



I also used larger washers to hold the wheel pant bracket to the axle.

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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:09 am Post subject: Matco nose wheel tire and tube

Yes, that's an important point, you do need the Matco axle no matter what.



To say it another way and reinforce Wayne's experience, I have the Matco 

axle but all the wheels and tires are stock from Vans. After 1 year of 

flying, it all works fine.  No interference of stems or anything (but 

things are close).  They hold air better than whatever I had on my 

Maule.  So IF you already have the stock wheels and tires, it works 

fine, but the Matco axle fixes a problem that seems to be unavoidable 

otherwise.



Bill



On 9/6/2012 12:28 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

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		   You do need the Matco axle. The Van's axle has shown problems that 

 cause nose fork wear. If you are ordering from them anyway, why not 

 get the right wheel, that needs NO modification and costs the same as 

 Release Date: 09/05/12

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2872

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:15 pm Post subject: Matco nose wheel tire and tube

My RV-10 was strictly stock at first.  The stem was close on the

front wheel to fork.

Then my forks got wrecked with the original axle spacers.

Then I got the Matco Axle and it was still good...no stem

clearance issue although it was still close.

My mains were OK too...no big problems.

Then I got a new nose tire and tube.  NOW I had a stem

clearance issue. THEN I ordered the new Matco wheel and new

tube.  NOW I have no clearance issue.

So, while all may be well with stock, over time as you change

tubes you may run into other issues until you finally get

the combination that has no issues.

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

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On 9/6/2012 12:08 PM, Bill Watson wrote:

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 Yes, that's an important point, you do need the Matco axle no matter what.

 To say it another way and reinforce Wayne's experience, I have the Matco

 axle but all the wheels and tires are stock from Vans. After 1 year of

 flying, it all works fine.  No interference of stems or anything (but

 things are close).  They hold air better than whatever I had on my

 Maule.  So IF you already have the stock wheels and tires, it works

 fine, but the Matco axle fixes a problem that seems to be unavoidable

 otherwise.

 Bill

 On 9/6/2012 12:28 AM, Kelly McMullen wrote:

> You do need the Matco axle. The Van's axle has shown problems that

> cause nose fork wear. If you are ordering from them anyway, why not

> get the right wheel, that needs NO modification and costs the same as

> Release Date: 09/05/12

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