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sstearns2(at)yahoo.com
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 Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 1:41 pm Post subject: KIS 150 |
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Bruce,
Where are you located? I have some parts. Flaps and ailerons are easy to make since they are flat triangle sections. What parts do you need? The windows are still available from the original manufacturer.
Scott
On May 9, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net (robertr237(at)att.net)> wrote:
[quote]Bruce,
Not sure if the KIS-150 is the same as the two place original KIS 2 place but I believe it is. If so, my web site is probably the best source for photos and other information on the plane. When KIS was bought out by Pulsar the downward slide for the kit began and continued until the point where I currently beleive the plane is no longer being produced. Too bad, it was a very nice aircraft design.
There are two newsgroups that you may want to join that would hopefully provide help and leads to parts.
[url=mailto:Pulsar-Aviators(at)yahoogroups.com]Pulsar-Aviators(at)yahoogroups.com (Pulsar-Aviators(at)yahoogroups.com)[/url]
[url=mailto:kis-list(at)matronics.com]kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
The Pulsar group is probably more into the original Pulsar and later versions of the Pulsar than the TRI-R KIS design. The [url=mailto:KIS-LIS(at)Matronics.com]KIS-LIS(at)Matronics.com (KIS-LIS(at)Matronics.com)[/url] will be more helpful for the TRI-R KIS-TR1 (150) and the KIS-TR4 Super Cruiser. Some parts for these planes are available from builders who have either quit building or may have damaged their planes and are selling the parts. If these newsgroups don't help I may have sources to some of the builders list but would prefer to not use that at this time.
Bob Reed
From: Bruce Barton <brucenbarton(at)yahoo.com (brucenbarton(at)yahoo.com)>
To: [url=mailto:robertr237(at)att.net]robertr237(at)att.net (robertr237(at)att.net)[/url]
Cc: Bruce Barton <brucenbarton(at)yahoo.com (brucenbarton(at)yahoo.com)>
Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 2:46:19 PM
Subject: KIS 150
Hello,
I came across your site and am struggling to find information on a KIS 150 I have that needs work. I love the thing but cant seem to find any information on it. I did get a limited set of plans from a gentleman named Dr MacDermoth, but he too has little information.
I also spoke with Degani's wife back east and she gave me an email which I tried to reach with no success. Is there anyone still at the factory or has it ceased since he passed?
I need misc parts (ailerons, flaps, etc.) and either need plans or parts. I would really appreciate it if you have any advise, and I love your site- Good job.
Thanks again!
Bruce N Barton
702-596-6860
I have skype and messenger if that helps too.
Thanks Again!
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brucenbarton(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:38 pm Post subject: KIS 150 |
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Robert,
Thanks for the response! I'll be in touch. maybe if youre free one afternoon we could talk on the phone? I never did get too good with the computer. More used to tailwheels and such!
Thanks!
Bruce
702-596-6860
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From: Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: KIS 150
To: "Bruce Barton" <brucenbarton(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 2:27 PM
Bruce,
Not sure if the KIS-150 is the same as the two place original KIS 2 place but I believe it is. If so, my web site is probably the best source for photos and other information on the plane. When KIS was bought out by Pulsar the downward slide for the kit began and continued until the point where I currently beleive the plane is no longer being produced. Too bad, it was a very nice aircraft design.
There are two newsgroups that you may want to join that would hopefully provide help and leads to parts.
[url=/mc/compose?to=Pulsar-Aviators(at)yahoogroups.com]Pulsar-Aviators(at)yahoogroups.com[/url]
[url=/mc/compose?to=kis-list(at)matronics.com]kis-list(at)matronics.com[/url]
The Pulsar group is probably more into the original Pulsar and later versions of the Pulsar than the TRI-R KIS design. The [url=/mc/compose?to=KIS-LIS(at)Matronics.com]KIS-LIS(at)Matronics.com[/url] will be more helpful for the TRI-R KIS-TR1 (150) and the KIS-TR4 Super Cruiser. Some parts for these planes are available from builders who have either quit building or may have damaged their planes and are selling the parts. If these newsgroups don't help I may have sources to some of the builders list but would prefer to not use that at this time.
Bob Reed
From: Bruce Barton <brucenbarton(at)yahoo.com>
To: robertr237(at)att.net
Cc: Bruce Barton <brucenbarton(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 2:46:19 PM
Subject: KIS 150
Hello,
I came across your site and am struggling to find information on a KIS 150 I have that needs work. I love the thing but cant seem to find any information on it. I did get a limited set of plans from a gentleman named Dr MacDermoth, but he too has little information.
I also spoke with Degani's wife back east and she gave me an email which I tried to reach with no success. Is there anyone still at the factory or has it ceased since he passed?
I need misc parts (ailerons, flaps, etc.) and either need plans or parts. I would really appreciate it if you have any advise, and I love your site- Good job.
Thanks again!
Bruce N Barton
702-596-6860
I have skype and messenger if that helps too.
Thanks Again!
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kentpyle(at)iland.net
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 3:34 pm Post subject: KIS 150 |
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Bob, this is the first I have had on the KIS-list in sometime. I thought I had been dropped or whatever. Kent 200 hours and counting!!
From: Bruce Barton (brucenbarton(at)yahoo.com)
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 3:36 PM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Re: KIS 150
Robert,
Thanks for the response! I'll be in touch. maybe if youre free one afternoon we could talk on the phone? I never did get too good with the computer. More used to tailwheels and such!
Thanks!
Bruce
702-596-6860
--- On Wed, 5/9/12, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net> wrote:
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From: Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: KIS 150
To: "Bruce Barton" <brucenbarton(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 2:27 PM
Bruce,
Not sure if the KIS-150 is the same as the two place original KIS 2 place but I believe it is. If so, my web site is probably the best source for photos and other information on the plane. When KIS was bought out by Pulsar the downward slide for the kit began and continued until the point where I currently beleive the plane is no longer being produced. Too bad, it was a very nice aircraft design.
There are two newsgroups that you may want to join that would hopefully provide help and leads to parts.
wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=Pulsar-Aviators(at)yahoogroups.com (Pulsar-Aviators(at)yahoogroups.com)
wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)
The Pulsar group is probably more into the original Pulsar and later versions of the Pulsar than the TRI-R KIS design. The wlmailhtml:/mc/compose?to=KIS-LIS(at)Matronics.com (KIS-LIS(at)Matronics.com) will be more helpful for the TRI-R KIS-TR1 (150) and the KIS-TR4 Super Cruiser. Some parts for these planes are available from builders who have either quit building or may have damaged their planes and are selling the parts. If these newsgroups don't help I may have sources to some of the builders list but would prefer to not use that at this time.
Bob Reed
From: Bruce Barton <brucenbarton(at)yahoo.com>
To: robertr237(at)att.net
Cc: Bruce Barton <brucenbarton(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 2:46:19 PM
Subject: KIS 150
Hello,
I came across your site and am struggling to find information on a KIS 150 I have that needs work. I love the thing but cant seem to find any information on it. I did get a limited set of plans from a gentleman named Dr MacDermoth, but he too has little information.
I also spoke with Degani's wife back east and she gave me an email which I tried to reach with no success. Is there anyone still at the factory or has it ceased since he passed?
I need misc parts (ailerons, flaps, etc.) and either need plans or parts. I would really appreciate it if you have any advise, and I love your site- Good job.
Thanks again!
Bruce N Barton
702-596-6860
I have skype and messenger if that helps too.
Thanks Again!
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bakerocb
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Posts: 727
Location: FAIRFAX VA
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| Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 7:02 am Post subject: KIS 150 |
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5/11/2012
Hello Bruce, I'd like to welcome you to the Matronics KIS list. The people
on this list are, by far your best source of information on the KIS
aircraft. We'd like to help you. You can join here:
http://www.matronics.com/subscription/
The archives of the Matronics KIS list contain decades worth of postings
regarding building and flying KIS airplanes.
I built KIS TR-1 kit number 116 and have been flying it for several years
for 360 plus hours. Some background:
1) The KIS line of aircraft was founded / designed by the late Rich Trickel
doing business as Tri-R Technologies in Oxnard CA.
2) The KIS TR-1 was powered by a variety of engines including some 150 HP
Lycomings.
3) When Solly Melyon, who had previously become associated with Pulsar, took
over the assets of Tri-R he renamed the KIS TR-1 as the Pulsar 150.
4) Solly Melyon left Pulsar and Yaron Degani moved Pulsar to El Salvador.
Rich Trickel subsequently joined Pulsar in El Salvador.
5) Both Yaron Degani (in an airplane accident) and Rich Trickel (from
cancer) have passed away and the Pulsar factory is basically non
functioning.
You wrote:
6) "...am struggling to find information on a KIS 150 I have that needs
work."
We need to know what kind of work is needed in order to best help you. Also
please tell us a little bit about your plane: Who built it? How did you get
it? What engine does it have?
7) "I did get a limited set of plans ....."
There are no real "plans" for the KIS TR-1. Just a Builders Manual that
tells you how to assemble the factory provided molded parts and hardware
into an airplane. I have a copy of the KIS TR-1 Builders Manual on a disc
(thanks to Hans-Christian Erstad) that I would be willing to try to copy and
send to you if you wish.
 " I need misc parts (ailerons, flaps, etc.) and either need plans or
parts."
It won't be easy, particularly working with you at a distance, but I am sure
that we can help you. Want to get started?
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
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| Quote: | > From: Bruce Barton <brucenbarton(at)yahoo.com>
> To: robertr237(at)att.net
> Cc: Bruce Barton <brucenbarton(at)yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 2:46:19 PM
> Subject: KIS 150
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> Hello,
> I came across your site and am struggling to find information on a KIS
> 150
I have that needs work. I love the thing but cant seem to find any
informa
tion on it. I did get a limited set of plans from a gentleman named Dr
MacD
ermoth, but he too has little information.
>
> I also spoke with Degani's wife back east and she gave me an email which
> I
tried to reach with no success. Is there anyone still at the factory or
ha
s it ceased since he passed?
>
> I need misc parts (ailerons, flaps, etc.) and either need plans or parts.
I would really appreciate it if you have any advise, and I love your site-
G
ood job.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Bruce N Barton
> 702-596-6860
>
> I have skype and messenger if that helps too.
>
> Thanks Again!
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sstearns2(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:01 pm Post subject: KIS 150 |
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regarding 2)... there is one guy flying a TR-1C with a 220 HP lycoming.
On May 11, 2012, at 8:02 AM, "bakerocb" <bakerocb(at)cox.net> wrote:
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5/11/2012
Hello Bruce, I'd like to welcome you to the Matronics KIS list. The people on this list are, by far your best source of information on the KIS aircraft. We'd like to help you. You can join here:
http://www.matronics.com/subscription/
The archives of the Matronics KIS list contain decades worth of postings regarding building and flying KIS airplanes.
I built KIS TR-1 kit number 116 and have been flying it for several years for 360 plus hours. Some background:
1) The KIS line of aircraft was founded / designed by the late Rich Trickel doing business as Tri-R Technologies in Oxnard CA.
2) The KIS TR-1 was powered by a variety of engines including some 150 HP Lycomings.
3) When Solly Melyon, who had previously become associated with Pulsar, took over the assets of Tri-R he renamed the KIS TR-1 as the Pulsar 150.
4) Solly Melyon left Pulsar and Yaron Degani moved Pulsar to El Salvador. Rich Trickel subsequently joined Pulsar in El Salvador.
5) Both Yaron Degani (in an airplane accident) and Rich Trickel (from cancer) have passed away and the Pulsar factory is basically non functioning.
You wrote:
6) "...am struggling to find information on a KIS 150 I have that needs work."
We need to know what kind of work is needed in order to best help you. Also please tell us a little bit about your plane: Who built it? How did you get it? What engine does it have?
7) "I did get a limited set of plans ....."
There are no real "plans" for the KIS TR-1. Just a Builders Manual that tells you how to assemble the factory provided molded parts and hardware into an airplane. I have a copy of the KIS TR-1 Builders Manual on a disc (thanks to Hans-Christian Erstad) that I would be willing to try to copy and send to you if you wish.
" I need misc parts (ailerons, flaps, etc.) and either need plans or parts."
It won't be easy, particularly working with you at a distance, but I am sure that we can help you. Want to get started?
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge."
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>> From: Bruce Barton <brucenbarton(at)yahoo.com>
>> To: robertr237(at)att.net
>> Cc: Bruce Barton <brucenbarton(at)yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 2:46:19 PM
>> Subject: KIS 150
>>
>> Hello,
>> I came across your site and am struggling to find information on a KIS 150
> I have that needs work. I love the thing but cant seem to find any informa
> tion on it. I did get a limited set of plans from a gentleman named Dr MacD
> ermoth, but he too has little information.
>>
>> I also spoke with Degani's wife back east and she gave me an email which I
> tried to reach with no success. Is there anyone still at the factory or ha
> s it ceased since he passed?
>>
>> I need misc parts (ailerons, flaps, etc.) and either need plans or parts.
> I would really appreciate it if you have any advise, and I love your site- G
> ood job.
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>> Bruce N Barton
>> 702-596-6860
>>
>> I have skype and messenger if that helps too.
>>
>> Thanks Again!
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bakerocb
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 7:03 am Post subject: KIS 150 |
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Hello Scott, What model of Lycoming engine would that be? Surely it could
not be a 6 cylinder O-540?
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
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From: "Scott Stearns" <sstearns2(at)yahoo.com>
To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: KIS 150
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regarding 2)... there is one guy flying a TR-1C with a 220 HP lycoming.
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sstearns2(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: KIS 150 |
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The engine is a parallel valve 360, with silverhawk (bendix) fuel injection, 10:1 forged pistons, cnc ported heads, and electronic ignition (Pmags), and a tuned length 4:1 exhaust, and some ceramic and teflon coatings here and there. The best pull on the test cell was 226 HP without the tuned exhaust. It is a great running engine. Lycoming should build them this way.
I usually dont run it over 25 in MP which is roughly 180 HP and normal cruise is 20 in MP. The real benefit is power and efficiency at altitude. At 12500 wide open (20 in MP) it will do 190 KTAS at 2800 rpm and 9.5 gph or 180 KTAS at 2700 rpm leaned to 8.5 gph. The hot and high performance is great.
It is really a bit much for the airframe. Solo with half fuel it is about the same power to weight as a WWII mustang. It is a taildragger and it will put you in the weeds for sure if you are not careful with the power on takeoff. A 320 built the same way would be the perfect engine for the TR-1 giving about 190 HP.
The TR-4 should have a parallel valve 540 built the same way in my opinion. 320-330 HP. Hopefully there will be an example one day.
Scott
On May 14, 2012, at 8:02 AM, "bakerocb" <bakerocb(at)cox.net> wrote:
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Hello Scott, What model of Lycoming engine would that be? Surely it could not be a 6 cylinder O-540?
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge."
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From: "Scott Stearns" <sstearns2(at)yahoo.com>
To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: KIS 150
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> regarding 2)... there is one guy flying a TR-1C with a 220 HP lycoming.
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mark_trickel
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Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:26 am Post subject: Re: KIS 150 |
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Hello All,
I talked with Mr. Barton about his KIS TR-1C and his story is an interesting one. Apparently a good friend of his, an ophthalmologist by trade, went for a ride with Rich and bought a kit in late 1993 or early 1994. He said the serial number was #068 or # 069. I checked my list of builders and owners I have been collecting and #069 belongs to Stephen Settle so he must have #069. The good doctor had practices set up here in the U.S. and another in Lithuania. Somewhere along the line the Doctor met what he felt was a competent crew capable of assembling his KIS kit. The kit was shipped to Lithuania and building commenced. The aircraft was pretty much completed including a stack of nice radios but then the airplane was put into storage where pieces of it became missing, including the radios. The airplane was shipped back to the U.S. where in was in the hands of another builder in Claremont, CA; here nothing was ever done to the airplane. Now almost twenty years later the Doctor offered it to Mr. Barton and he accepted it.
Now Mr. Barton needs to finish of the last details to get it in the air. There are no flaps, ailerons, or wing tips and somehow he needs to fabricate replacements. Other than these parts the airplane is complete. The wingtips are no great loss but the factory tips were better than nothing. Replacing the wingtips, flaps and ailerons will a big undertaking with out a lot of composite experience. He needs some ideas about how to construct the flaps and ailerons. I do not see any reason they can not be built with wet lay-ups (the original prototype N93RT had flaps and ailerons that had solid foam cores but were replaced in 1992 with prepreg skins). I have sent him hard copy of the wing manual so he can get and idea of the task ahead. Hopefully the engineers Scott and or Mark can provide some suitable input. Mr. Barton has a friend that will be doing the composite work need to complete the project. The airplane has a Lycoming in it but there is no ID plate on the motor. It is either an O-235 or an O-290. The airplane is currently mostly in primer or unfinished surfaces.
Mr. Barton is a young 79 year old living on an air park in White Hills, AZ. He is a very experienced pilot with a hanger full of airplane projects. He loves the old tail draggers an to name just a few in the stable are a: Baby Ace; Bellanca 14-13, up graded motor and electric motors being installed to replace the hand crack that requires more than 60 cranks to raise or lower the landing gears; Two Stinsons, one he just ferried back from New Jersey; and at least 3 or 4 other projects in pieces and parts. He is intrigued by the KIS and the tail wheel is right down his alley.
Mr. Barton is not computer literate in any fashion. He is analog. A friend of his has been putting post up on his behalf (he will be away for the next 2 weeks). Please feel free to call him or send along anything you think he may need.
702-596-6860
Bruce Barton
20596 N Cessna
White Hills, AZ 86445
Mark Trickel
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