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jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:32 am Post subject: buck-tooth idiots

Lucien,



I grew up on a farm in north central Iowa.  If anything flew over and 

harassed the livestock we would take a shot at the varmit with a 22 

rifle or a 12 gauge shotgun.  If someone flew over low enough to see the 

shape of our teeth, there would be a strong desire to put a hole or two 

in the wing.  Stupidity should be rewarded with the knowledge that there 

are certain behaviors that are not acceptable in rural areas.



The question here is, who is the idot? It is good to know that Texas rural 

folk were successful in your re-education.



Yes, you hit a nerve, and yes, now I feel better.



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Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN



At 11:18 AM 2/8/10 -0800, you wrote:

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One of the reasons I'm an altitude man and don't like low-and-slow..... I 

worried the most about getting shot at back when I flew my powered 
	


parachute. We flew out in the boonies of TX most of the time and there was 

no shortage of buck-tooth idiots around out there who'd not think twice 

about shooting at anything that flew over them.

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Even here I try to fly quietly and as high up as I can reasonably go 

without wasting too much gas, etc.......
	


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LS



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LS

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lucien

Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Posts: 721
Location: santa fe, NM

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:47 am Post subject: Re: buck-tooth idiots

 	  jbhart(at)onlyinternet.ne wrote: 	
		  Lucien,



I grew up on a farm in north central Iowa.  If anything flew over and 

harassed the livestock we would take a shot at the varmit with a 22 

rifle or a 12 gauge shotgun.  If someone flew over low enough to see the 

shape of our teeth, there would be a strong desire to put a hole or two 

in the wing.  Stupidity should be rewarded with the knowledge that there 

are certain behaviors that are not acceptable in rural areas.



The question here is, who is the idot? It is good to know that Texas rural 

folk were successful in your re-education.



Yes, you hit a nerve, and yes, now I feel better.



do not archive



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN

	




If you were shooting at aircraft who were flying at legal altitudes, I'm with John H and you should still be in jail for your "varmint" hunting.



If they were flying low enough to run your cows and etc., you should have done the _right_ thing and get the authorities on the phone. Handling stuff like that is what they're there for - you pay for em with your tax money, use em!



Who's the idiot? Good question. You know the saying - guns don't kill people, people kill people.



LS

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rlaird

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 373
Location: Houston

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:03 am Post subject: buck-tooth idiots

After some low-and-slow flying, a local fella returned to the field one day (some years back) during bow-hunting season, and, yep, he had an arrow stuck on the underside of the fuselage of his Hawk.  Talk about an eye opener! 



On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Jack B. Hart <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net (jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net)> wrote:

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		   --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net (jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net)>

 

 Lucien,

 

 I grew up on a farm in north central Iowa.  If anything flew over and

 harassed the livestock we would take a shot at the varmit with a 22

 rifle or a 12 gauge shotgun.  If someone flew over low enough to see the

 shape of our teeth, there would be a strong desire to put a hole or two

 in the wing.  Stupidity should be rewarded with the knowledge that there

 are certain behaviors that are not acceptable in rural areas.

	




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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:09 am Post subject: buck-tooth idiots

>> Yes, you hit a nerve, and yes, now I feel better.

 >>

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		  > Jack B. Hart FF004


	


  I'm with John H

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 LS


	




Jack H/Gang:



I'm glad Lucien agrees with me.



Here is what I said:



"Be careful how you talk about country folks.  There are a bunch of us on 

the

Kolb List and we all fly Kolbs."



john hauck

mkIII

M3-011

1992

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Dave Carr

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Central Wisconsin

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:14 am Post subject: Re: buck-tooth idiots

Jack. I grew up in North Central Iowa, Charles City to be exact, Class of 1955. I shot quite a few Hawks also (not Haucks) that were harrasing farm animals. I always flew my rental Champ above 1500 feet to insure I wasnt a target for we buck toothed idiots . I guess it depends on whose Ox is being gored.

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lucien

Joined: 03 Jun 2007
Posts: 721
Location: santa fe, NM

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:33 am Post subject: Re: buck-tooth idiots

 	  John Hauck wrote: 	
		  

Jack H/Gang:



I'm glad Lucien agrees with me.



Here is what I said:



"Be careful how you talk about country folks.  There are a bunch of us on 

the

Kolb List and we all fly Kolbs."



john hauck

mkIII

M3-011

1992 	




BTW, I didn't mean to kick over a hornet's nest on this. Like I said, I'm and old TX country boy for many years, even tho I'm now a proud New Mexican. Dual citizenship is how I think of it.



My only point to Jack was, just because you live out in the country doesn't give you a license to be stupid. 98% of us country folk don't do stupid $$$$ like shoot at aircraft but those of us who do should get their just deserts.



If I offended anyone, my apologies as it wasn't my intent to cast dispersions on my country brethren. 



But as Forrest Gump has reminded us: "stupid is as stupid does". And shooting at aircraft with your 12 guage is just plain stupid no matter where you live!



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LS

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russkinne(at)mac.com
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Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:18 am Post subject: buck-tooth idiots

FWIW and IMHO -- there are times when low flying is necessary;  

photography, game surveys, searches for lost children, etc. And it's  

great fun, which is probably why most pilots do it. But it can and  

does disturb animals, some more than others. Which is why the 1000'  

minimum altitude over wildlife refuges. Even at 1000', a Cessna will  

sometimes panic flocks of geese, most likely because its planform   

resembles a flying hawk.

There are idiots everywhere who will shoot at anything that moves;  

they're certainly not just restricted to rural areas. And bad  

behavior is really not acceptable anywhere.

I've done a lot of low flying, and yes, I've been shot at, mostly by  

duckhunters I didn't know were there. But birdshot won't reach me,  

and then I just turn & go elsewhere. No big deal. Not hit yet,  

seriously at least, and the hunters got their message across; stay  

out of this area.

But I do try to "fly friendly" & not harass people or animals on the  

ground. I feel better that way.

Russ K

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On Feb 9, 2010, at 8:30 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote:

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 <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net>

 Lucien,

 I grew up on a farm in north central Iowa.  If anything flew over and

 harassed the livestock we would take a shot at the varmit with a 22

 rifle or a 12 gauge shotgun.  If someone flew over low enough to  

 see the

 shape of our teeth, there would be a strong desire to put a hole or  

 two

 in the wing.  Stupidity should be rewarded with the knowledge that  

 there

 are certain behaviors that are not acceptable in rural areas.

 The question here is, who is the idot? It is good to know that  

 Texas rural

 folk were successful in your re-education.

 Yes, you hit a nerve, and yes, now I feel better.

 do not archive

 Jack B. Hart FF004

 Winchester, IN

 At 11:18 AM 2/8/10 -0800, you wrote:

> 

>

> One of the reasons I'm an altitude man and don't like low-and- 

> slow..... I

 worried the most about getting shot at back when I flew my powered

 parachute. We flew out in the boonies of TX most of the time and  

 there was

 no shortage of buck-tooth idiots around out there who'd not think  

 twice

 about shooting at anything that flew over them.

>

> Even here I try to fly quietly and as high up as I can reasonably go

 without wasting too much gas, etc.......

>

> LS

>

> --------

> LS

> Titan II SS

NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:43 am Post subject: buck-tooth idiots

A few years ago a powered para glider decided to circle the golf course 

while we were golfing. After a few near misses from golf clubs (yes he was 

that low) he decided to move on. you have to wonder if all PPG pilots 

are.....



Even in a Kolb we need to consider that some people might not like us 

bothering them.



Rick Neilsen

Redrive VW powered MKIIIC



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Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:20 am Post subject: buck-tooth idiots

At 12:42 PM 2/9/2010, Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:

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		  --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" <NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>



 A few years ago a powered para glider decided to circle the golf course while we were golfing. After a few near misses from golf clubs (yes he was that low) he decided to move on. you have to wonder if all PPG pilots are..... 	


 Speaking as a PPG pilot as well as a Kolb pilot, I can say that yes, many PPGers are..... but most are responsible.  There are idiots in every realm of flight.



 -Dana

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  When you were born, you cried and the world  rejoiced...

 Live your life so that when you die, the world cries and you rejoice.

 -- Cherokee saying    [quote][b]

herbgh(at)nctc.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:53 am Post subject: buck-tooth idiots

The danger with spooking/running cows is that some may be near 

delivery...could result in death to cow and calf...or a vet bill if 

some is around to catch the problem...



     Herb



  do not archive...





At 11:42 AM 2/9/2010, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  

<NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net>



A few years ago a powered para glider decided to circle the golf 

course while we were golfing. After a few near misses from golf 

clubs (yes he was that low) he decided to move on. you have to 

wonder if all PPG pilots are.....



Even in a Kolb we need to consider that some people might not like 

us bothering them.



Rick Neilsen

pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:04 am Post subject: buck-tooth idiots

Hi Russ,

 people get het up over all sorts of things. I would not consider flying low myself except over Salisbury Plain where ther is nothing but the army playing soldiers. No one from the field ever flies circuits. Fly away as quietly as possible and do your aeros somewhere else.

 We had one guy in a GLIDER who was shot at while on the approach. Luckily he was in a Blanik which is all metal and the shot only made some dings but in a fabric covered plane he may well have been hurt.The gunner was summoned and heavily fined.

 Still very hot. Just been out in the bay in a kayak. Great.

 Pat

--- On Tue, 9/2/10, russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com> wrote:

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From: russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com>

Subject: Re: buck-tooth idiots

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Tuesday, 9 February, 2010, 15:17

 --> Kolb-List message posted by: russ kinne <russkinne(at)mac.com (russkinne(at)mac.com)>

FWIW and IMHO -- there are times when low flying is necessary; photography, game surveys, searches for lost children, etc. And it's great fun, which is probably why most pilots do it. But it can and does disturb animals, some more than others. Which is why the 1000' minimum altitude over wildlife refuges. Even at 1000', a Cessna will sometimes panic flocks of geese, most likely because its planform  resembles a flying hawk.

There are idiots everywhere who will shoot at anything that moves; they're certainly not just restricted to rural areas. And bad behavior is really not acceptable anywhere.

I've done a lot of low flying, and yes, I've been shot at, mostly by duckhunters I didn't know were there. But birdshot won't reach me, and  then I just turn & go elsewhere. No big deal. Not hit yet, seriously at least, and the hunters got their message across; stay out of this area.

But I do try to "fly friendly" & not harass people or animals on the ground. I feel better that way.

Russ K

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On Feb 9, 2010, at 8:30 AM, Jack B. Hart wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Jack B. Hart" <jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net (jbhart(at)onlyinternet.net)>

 Lucien,

 I grew up on a farm in north central Iowa.  If anything flew over and

 harassed the livestock we would take a shot at the varmit with a 22

 rifle or a 12 gauge shotgun.  If someone flew over low enough to see the

 shape of our teeth, there would be a strong desire to put a hole or two

 in the wing.  Stupidity should be  rewarded with the knowledge that there

 are certain behaviors that are not acceptable in rural areas.

 The question here is, who is the idot? It is good to know that Texas rural

 folk were successful in your re-education.

 Yes, you hit a nerve, and yes, now I feel better.

 do not archive

 Jack B. Hart FF004

 Winchester, IN

 At 11:18 AM 2/8/10 -0800, you wrote:

> --> Kolb-List message posted by: "lucien" <lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com (lstavenhagen(at)hotmail.com)>

> 

> One of the reasons I'm an altitude man and don't like low-and-slow..... I

 worried the most about getting shot at back when I flew my powered

 parachute. We flew out in the boonies of TX most of the time and there was

 no shortage of  buck-tooth idiots around out there who'd not think twice

 about shooting at anything that flew over them.

> 

> Even here I try to fly quietly and as high up as I can reasonably go

 without wasting too much gas, etc.......

> 

> LS

> 

> --------

> LS

> Titan II SS

> 

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