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jland(at)popeandland.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: Commercial and Compensation

Doc



As you said, it really isn't too difficult to get the Commercial.  The 2nd

class medical might become the issue.  It sure was nice to get some

formation practice in this weekend at Columbus and have it all paid for.



Will your DE do an initial private pilot exam in an EXTRA?  I gotta find one

before next year that will.....!



Jay

 	  Quote:

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:26 pm Post subject: Commercial and Compensation

Jay,

I will ask him if he will or not. He likes to do them in the YAK so what's

so what would be so different about the Extra? It is still lazy 8's and

spot landings. Yeh, for some the Class II medical maybe an issue. Some may

require a waiver for eyes (greater than 20/200), Heart Dz, s/p CABG, HTN,

Diabetes and thyriod dz, to name a few. It is still not that hard to get

done though.

Doc

 	  Quote: 	
		   [Original Message]

 From: Jay Land <jland(at)popeandland.com>

 To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 3/20/2006 2:36:35 PM

 Subject: Commercial and Compensation



 



 Doc



 As you said, it really isn't too difficult to get the Commercial.  The 2nd

 class medical might become the issue.  It sure was nice to get some

 formation practice in this weekend at Columbus and have it all paid for.



 Will your DE do an initial private pilot exam in an EXTRA?  I gotta find

one
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   before next year that will.....!



 Jay

 >

aerobaticgirl(at)yahoo.co
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:16 pm Post subject: Commercial and Compensation

IMHO, I think that it is a huge difference between an Extra and a C172 as far as lazy 8s and turn around/on pylons go.  It shows the skill level of a student that can fly a perfect lazy 8 in a non-aerobatic a/c.  But, that is the old school instructor coming out in me.  

   

  Bottom line is, if you can get away with it, do it.

   

  Smash



Roger Kemp <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com> wrote:

  [quote]--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" 



Jay,

I will ask him if he will or not. He likes to do them in the YAK so what's

so what would be so different about the Extra? It is still lazy 8's and

spot landings. Yeh, for some the Class II medical maybe an issue. Some may

require a waiver for eyes (greater than 20/200), Heart Dz, s/p CABG, HTN,

Di  abetes  and thyriod dz, to name a few. It is still not that hard to get

done though.

Doc

 	  Quote: 	
		   [Original Message]

 From: Jay Land 

 To: 

 Date: 3/20/2006 2:36:35 PM

 Subject: Commercial and Compensation



 --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land 



 Doc



 As you said, it really isn't too difficult to get the Commercial. The 2nd

 class medical might become the issue. It sure was nice to get some

 formation practice in this weekend at Columbus and have it all paid for.



 Will your DE do an initial private pilot exam in an EXTRA? I gotta find

one
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   before next year that will.....!



 Jay

 > 



 

 

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jland(at)popeandland.com
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject: Commercial and Compensation

Have no fear- he can do a fine lazy eight in the old Archer.  This instructor thought the right DE might find the turns around a point more interesting when demonstrated inverted. 

 

 Personally, I think the skillful execution of an Advanced aerobatic routine can also demonstrate sufficient skill level.

 

 From: Sarah Tobin <aerobaticgirl(at)yahoo.com>

 Reply-To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 17:16:06 -0800 (PST)

 To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 Subject: RE: Commercial and Compensation

 

 IMHO, I think that it is a huge difference between an Extra and a C172 as far as lazy 8s and turn around/on pylons go.  It shows the skill level of a student that can fly a perfect lazy 8 in a non-aerobatic a/c.  But, that is the old school instructor coming out in me.  

   

  

   

 Bottom line is, if you can get away with it, do it.

   

  

   

  	  Quote: 	
		  Smash

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:40 pm Post subject: Commercial and Compensation

Now Smash,

 I see your IMHO and raise you a what if the YAK or CJ is their only aircraft and they only want to fly large Red Star fromation gaggles at airshows.

 I know rent a spam can!

 Doc

  

 



  

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brian

Joined: 02 Jan 2006
Posts: 643
Location: Sacramento, California, USA

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: Commercial and Compensation

Jay Land wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Personally, I think the skillful execution of an Advanced aerobatic 

 routine can also demonstrate sufficient skill level.


	


When I took my Comm check ride in June of 1972 (at the ripe old age of 

1 I was having just a bit of a problem with my lazy eights. They were 

marginal. I commented to the examiner that I did better wingovers than 

lazy eights so he said, "then demonstrate a wingover." I proceeded to do 

several and he pronounced them acceptable. I passed the checkride.



-- 

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rmfitz(at)direcway.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:24 am Post subject: Commercial and Compensation

Doc,

I'm one of those aging boomers who's body is out of warranty.  Just to 

get a class III medical requires a treadmill and  blood chemistry in 

addition to the exam, and that is for a "special issuance" that is only 

good for one year. This costs about $600 and my insurance won't even 

count any of it towards my deductible. I'm told to get a class II would 

require an annual angiogram , which is invasive and costs thousands, and 

my AME warns that failing a class II exam could jeopardize my getting 

the "special" class III again.  You make it sound easy.   Am I getting 

bad advice?

bob

Roger Kemp wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Jay,

 I will ask him if he will or not. He likes to do them in the YAK so what's

 so what would be so different about the Extra? It is still lazy 8's and

 spot landings. Yeh, for some the Class II medical maybe an issue. Some may

 require a waiver for eyes (greater than 20/200), Heart Dz, s/p CABG, HTN,

 Diabetes and thyriod dz, to name a few. It is still not that hard to get

 done though.

 Doc

> [Original Message]

> From: Jay Land <jland(at)popeandland.com>

> To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

> Date: 3/20/2006 2:36:35 PM

> Subject: Commercial and Compensation

>

> 

>

> Doc

>

> As you said, it really isn't too difficult to get the Commercial.  The 2nd

> class medical might become the issue.  It sure was nice to get some

> formation practice in this weekend at Columbus and have it all paid for.

>

> Will your DE do an initial private pilot exam in an EXTRA?  I gotta find

>     

 one

> before next year that will.....!

>

> Jay

>     

>

>  

>  

>  

>

>

aerobaticgirl(at)yahoo.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:59 am Post subject: Commercial and Compensation

No disagreement there, however the PTS doesn't have a section for Sportsman sequence execution to qualify for a CPL.  Haha.

   

  I like the idea of inverted 8s on Pylons.  Throw in an outside roller while you are doing it for extra credit!

   

  Smash



Jay Land <jland(at)popeandland.com> wrote:

   	  Quote: 	
		  



Personally, I think the skillful execution of an Advanced aerobatic routine can also demonstrate sufficient skill level.



	


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aerobaticgirl(at)yahoo.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:13 am Post subject: Commercial and Compensation

Uh....yeah....I mean seriously, how many PPL/CPL applicants do you know that own their own a/c?  I have been instructing for over a decade and have met 1, he was a doc and could afford to buy his own Cherokee 6 to learn in.  I think I was harder on him than any other student.  Wanted to make sure he wasn't going to be a typical doc that has way too much money to blown on an overpowered a/c.  

   

  Sorry had to pick on the docs!  

   

  Smash



Roger Kemp <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com> wrote:

   	  Quote: 	
		        Now Smash,

  I see your IMHO and raise you a what if the YAK or CJ is their only aircraft and they only want to fly large R  ed Star  fromation gaggles at airshows.

  I know rent a spam can!

  Doc



	


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drc(at)wscare.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: Commercial and Compensation

Bob,

CT angiagraphy is a real option.  It is non-invasive and takes about  

5 min to lay on the table.  We have it in Green Bay so I assume it is  

available in the Chicago area.  Heart disease is silent until its too  

late often.  If there is a cost effective way to "screen" for  

arterial disease instead of the "diagnostic" heart cath then it would  

be the way to go for anyone.  You could have a CT angiogram done and  

know before you approach the examiner.

Herb

PS - only a gynecologist so I am speaking somewhat out of my field -  

go tell your internist or cardiac guy that "your gynecologist told  

you about this" and you might lose your medical anyway !!

On Mar 21, 2006, at 9:25 AM, Bob Fitzpatrick wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Doc,

 I'm one of those aging boomers who's body is out of warranty.  Just  

 to get a class III medical requires a treadmill and  blood  

 chemistry in addition to the exam, and that is for a "special  

 issuance" that is only good for one year. This costs about $600 and  

 my insurance won't even count any of it towards my deductible. I'm  

 told to get a class II would require an annual angiogram , which is  

 invasive and costs thousands, and my AME warns that failing a class  

 II exam could jeopardize my getting the "special" class III again.   

 You make it sound easy.   Am I getting bad advice?

 bob

 Roger Kemp wrote:

> 

> <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com>

>

> Jay,

> I will ask him if he will or not. He likes to do them in the YAK  

> so what's

> so what would be so different about the Extra? It is still lazy  

> 8's and

> spot landings. Yeh, for some the Class II medical maybe an issue.  

> Some may

> require a waiver for eyes (greater than 20/200), Heart Dz, s/p  

> CABG, HTN,

> Diabetes and thyriod dz, to name a few. It is still not that hard  

> to get

> done though.

> Doc

>

>> [Original Message]

>> From: Jay Land <jland(at)popeandland.com>

>> To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

>> Date: 3/20/2006 2:36:35 PM

>> Subject: Commercial and Compensation

>>

>> 

>>

>> Doc

>>

>> As you said, it really isn't too difficult to get the  

>> Commercial.  The 2nd

>> class medical might become the issue.  It sure was nice to get some

>> formation practice in this weekend at Columbus and have it all  

>> paid for.

>>

>> Will your DE do an initial private pilot exam in an EXTRA?  I  

>> gotta find

>>

> one

>

>> before next year that will.....!

>>

>> Jay

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

 www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:19 am Post subject: Commercial and Compensation

Yeah, I know Doc's got a bad name from V tail Bannana's, but we are talking about YAK and ChiYAK owners already. They want the perks of flying to and in the airshows for "compensation" in the form of a free food, gas, and rooms. These aircraft may be the only aircraft they own, so doing the Commercial in their own aircraft was what I was thinking of.

 Be careful on that Doc thing...you could be pinched by more than anesthesiologist/Flt Doc, Gynecologist, Colo-Rectal Surgeon and a hand full of dentist at one of the major Red Star Events in the near future. We would have every orifice known covered and even could create some unnatural ones to boot!

 Viperdoc

  

 



  

 [quote] ---

gus.fraser(at)gs.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:44 am Post subject: Commercial and Compensation

Doc. too much information. Please lets just pick on lawyers  and real estate agents..  )

  

 At that rate you may well find out why Smash is called  Smash, kinda like why BamBam is called Bam Bam.

  

 Gus



 [quote]         From: owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com    [mailto:owner-yak-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger    Kemp

Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:17 PM

To:    yak-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Commercial and    Compensation

   

      Yeah, I know Doc's got a bad name from    V tail Bannana's, but we are talking about YAK and ChiYAK owners already. They    want the perks of flying to and in the airshows for "compensation" in the form    of a free food, gas, and rooms. These aircraft may be the only aircraft they    own, so doing the Commercial in their own aircraft was what I was thinking    of.

   Be careful on that Doc thing...you    could be pinched by more than anesthesiologist/Flt Doc,    Gynecologist, Colo-Rectal Surgeon and a hand full of dentist at one of the    major Red Star Events in the near future. We would have every orifice known    covered and even could create some unnatural ones to boot!

   Viperdoc

    

   



    

   [quote]     ---

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: Commercial and Compensation

Bob,

Contact me off list. viperdoc(at)mindspring.com.

I've put post CABG Delta Drivers (FAA class 1) back to work after 6 months

manditory grounding. 

How old are you, what are your major medical conditions that require you to

have a special issuance FC III? There has to be more to this story. Why

does your IME say you have to have an angiogram annually for a FC II.

Generally, it is an EKG, thallium GXT treadmill and echocardiagram for

those that have had coronary artery disease requiring intervention with

stints or bypass grafting. If there are ischemic changes or questionable

areas of hypoperfusion on the GXT do you need an angiogram. If there is a

rhythem disturbance you would then need a 24 hour Holter monitor. 

If your IME has questions about what is needed to keep you flying, ask him

to call the OK City hotline for IME's. They will fax him all the

requirements for a workup for waiver. You can go to the AOPA medical

section to get answers also. I have to admit, Ok City does like to play I

have a secret sometimes. 

I need more of the facts to make a call in this situation.

Thanks,

Doc Kemp

 	  Quote: 	
		   [Original Message]

 From: Herb Coussons <drc(at)wscare.com>

 To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 3/21/2006 11:28:16 AM

 Subject: Re: Commercial and Compensation



 



 Bob,

 CT angiagraphy is a real option.  It is non-invasive and takes about  

 5 min to lay on the table.  We have it in Green Bay so I assume it is  

 available in the Chicago area.  Heart disease is silent until its too  

 late often.  If there is a cost effective way to "screen" for  

 arterial disease instead of the "diagnostic" heart cath then it would  

 be the way to go for anyone.  You could have a CT angiogram done and  

 know before you approach the examiner.



 Herb

 PS - only a gynecologist so I am speaking somewhat out of my field -  

 go tell your internist or cardiac guy that "your gynecologist told  

 you about this" and you might lose your medical anyway !!

 On Mar 21, 2006, at 9:25 AM, Bob Fitzpatrick wrote:



 > 

 >

 > Doc,

 > I'm one of those aging boomers who's body is out of warranty.  Just  

 > to get a class III medical requires a treadmill and  blood  

 > chemistry in addition to the exam, and that is for a "special  

 > issuance" that is only good for one year. This costs about $600 and  

 > my insurance won't even count any of it towards my deductible. I'm  

 > told to get a class II would require an annual angiogram , which is  

 > invasive and costs thousands, and my AME warns that failing a class  

 > II exam could jeopardize my getting the "special" class III again.   

 > You make it sound easy.   Am I getting bad advice?

 > bob

 >

 >

 > Roger Kemp wrote:

 >> 

 >> <viperdoc(at)mindspring.com>

 >>

 >> Jay,

 >> I will ask him if he will or not. He likes to do them in the YAK  

 >> so what's

 >> so what would be so different about the Extra? It is still lazy  

 >> 8's and

 >> spot landings. Yeh, for some the Class II medical maybe an issue.  

 >> Some may

 >> require a waiver for eyes (greater than 20/200), Heart Dz, s/p  

 >> CABG, HTN,

 >> Diabetes and thyriod dz, to name a few. It is still not that hard  

 >> to get

 >> done though.

 >> Doc

 >>

 >>

 >>

 >>> [Original Message]

 >>> From: Jay Land <jland(at)popeandland.com>

 >>> To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 >>> Date: 3/20/2006 2:36:35 PM

 >>> Subject: Commercial and Compensation

 >>>

 >>> 

 >>>

 >>> Doc

 >>>

 >>> As you said, it really isn't too difficult to get the  

 >>> Commercial.  The 2nd

 >>> class medical might become the issue.  It sure was nice to get some

 >>> formation practice in this weekend at Columbus and have it all  

 >>> paid for.

 >>>

 >>> Will your DE do an initial private pilot exam in an EXTRA?  I  

 >>> gotta find

 >>>

 >> one

 >>

 >>> before next year that will.....!

 >>>

 >>> Jay

 >>>

 >>>

 >>>

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 >>>

 >>>

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 >>>

 >>>

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 > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List

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viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject: Commercial and Compensation

Copy.

 Doc

  

 



  

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HawkerPilot2015

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 503

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:07 am Post subject: Re: Commercial and Compensation

Medical aside, how about just going out and getting the training and then the certificate? There is more to the commercial than pylon eights. I thought any training was a good thing? 



I have an ATP with two type ratings...and I have learned from every certificate, rating, or type I have gotten. All apply to when I fly the -50.

rvfltd(at)televar.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: Commercial and Compensation

Tim,

It's not about not wanting to get the rating, hell that's easy.  It's about

the necessity to have BOTH the rating AND a 2nd class phy before you can

accept compensation and the fact that as us boomers get older there will be

less and less of you (and me) who are able to pass the phy so you will start

to see less "collectable" aircraft at the airshows as this situation take

it's toll.  This is a detriment to us, the airshow business, and aviation as

a whole.  Less "exhibition" aircraft could well be interpreted by the powers

to be in many different ways.  The problems this poorly written reg can

cause us as a group are many and most will not as obvious as the ones

listed.



Always Yakin,

Doug Sapp



--

HawkerPilot2015

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 503

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: Commercial and Compensation

Doug,



I would agree that it is poorly written but allow me to play the devils advocate here. I am not stating that I agree with current regs and think that those without a Second Class should be prohibited from participating in airshows.



I think that the FAA wants those that are of adequate enough health to be able to receive and maintain a Second Class before they can operate an airplane in front of, with or, for the public. If you are not of said health, you may pose an undue risk to a large public gathering or to passengers you may carry. Does that make sense?



There has to be some medical requirement for commercial operations or their  would be some folks out there flying airplanes that probably should not even be driving a car! 

Maybe there is a situation where a person could hold a commercial ticket while maintaining only a Third Class medical with the understanding that that person will only exercise the priviledges of that rating while engaged in airshow activities. 



As far as not seeing collectible airplanes due to lack of qualified and trainined pilots, I do see this as a growing issue and see it big time in the CAF. There is a lack of trust placed in the younger generation to handle these airplanes. I have faced that since I have been in the CAF. I am 38 and considered a "whipper snapper" and have been told that too my face.    This will ultimately lead to the demise of the CAF and like organizations. 



With the proper training and mentoring, an 18 year old can handle a P-51 or B-17. They have proven that! Now, I understand they were making them as fast as some were crashing them, the "kids" today would do ok. We have 23 year olds flying Vipers! Give them "us" a shot...we might make you proud!!



Just my thoughts...



tim



 	  rvfltd(at)televar.com wrote: 	
		  Tim,

It's not about not wanting to get the rating, hell that's easy.  It's about

the necessity to have BOTH the rating AND a 2nd class phy before you can

accept compensation and the fact that as us boomers get older there will be

less and less of you (and me) who are able to pass the phy so you will start

to see less "collectable" aircraft at the airshows as this situation take

it's toll.  This is a detriment to us, the airshow business, and aviation as

a whole.  Less "exhibition" aircraft could well be interpreted by the powers

to be in many different ways.  The problems this poorly written reg can

cause us as a group are many and most will not as obvious as the ones

listed.



Always Yakin,

Doug Sapp



--

viperdoc(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:46 pm Post subject: Commercial and Compensation

Well said for a "Whipper Snapper". 

Since I'm now considered a Fossil.

Doc

 	  Quote: 	
		   [Original Message]

 From: Tim Gagnon <NiftyYak50(at)msn.com>

 To: <yak-list(at)matronics.com>

 Date: 3/22/2006 6:08:46 PM

 Subject: Re: Commercial and Compensation



 



 Doug,



 I would agree that it is poorly written but allow me to play the devils

advocate here. I am not stating that I agree with current regs and think
	


that those without a Second Class should be prohibited from participating

in airshows.

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 I think that the FAA wants those that are of adequate enough health to be

able to receive and maintain a Second Class before they can operate an
	


airplane in front of, with or, for the public. If you are not of said

health, you may pose an undue risk to a large public gathering or to

passengers you may carry. Does that make sense?

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 There has to be some medical requirement for commercial operations or

their  would be some folks out there flying airplanes that probably should
	


not even be driving a car! 

 	  Quote: 	
		  



 Maybe there is a situation where a person could hold a commercial ticket

while maintaining only a Third Class medical with the understanding that
	


that person will only exercise the priviledges of that rating while engaged

in airshow activities. 

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 As far as not seeing collectible airplanes due to lack of qualified and

trainined pilots, I do see this as a growing issue and see it big time in
	


the CAF. There is a lack of trust placed in the younger generation to

handle these airplanes. I have faced that since I have been in the CAF. I

am 38 and considered a "whipper snapper" and have been told that too my

face.    This will ultimately lead to the demise of the CAF and like

organizations. 

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 With the proper training and mentoring, an 18 year old can handle a P-51

or B-17. They have proven that! Now, I understand they were making them as
	


fast as some were crashing them, the "kids" today would do ok. We have 23

year olds flying Vipers! Give them "us" a shot...we might make you proud!!

 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Just my thoughts...



 tim





 rvfltd(at)televar.com wrote:

 > Tim,

 > It's not about not wanting to get the rating, hell that's easy.  It's

about
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > the necessity to have BOTH the rating AND a 2nd class phy before you can

 > accept compensation and the fact that as us boomers get older there

will be
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > less and less of you (and me) who are able to pass the phy so you will

start
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > to see less "collectable" aircraft at the airshows as this situation

take
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > it's toll.  This is a detriment to us, the airshow business, and

aviation as
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > a whole.  Less "exhibition" aircraft could well be interpreted by the

powers
	


 	  Quote: 	
		   > to be in many different ways.  The problems this poorly written reg can

 > cause us as a group are many and most will not as obvious as the ones

 > listed.

 > 

 > Always Yakin,

 > Doug Sapp

 > 

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dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:28 pm Post subject: Commercial and Compensation

Tim,

If you put your airplane only on display at an airshow, you are in no way 

endangering any spectators, regardless of whether you have a 3rd class or 

2nd class medical.   If you receive fuel for the flight home, that in no way 

endangers the lives of the spectators.  If you receive a cup of coffee and 

donut when you arrive, you should not be required to have a commercial 

certificate to accept a cup of coffee.



I have always wondered if an FAA employee assigned to an airshow (read 

waivered airspace) were to accept a sandwich and drink or even a cup of 

coffee from the airshow people, if it could be construed as receiving 

"gratuities" which as we all know is taboo for a government employee.

Dennis



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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Commercial and Compensation

 	  dsavarese(at)elmore.rr.co wrote: 	
		  Tim,

If you put your airplane only on display at an airshow, you are in no way 

endangering any spectators, regardless of whether you have a 3rd class or 

2nd class medical.   If you receive fuel for the flight home, that in no way 

endangers the lives of the spectators.  If you receive a cup of coffee and 

donut when you arrive, you should not be required to have a commercial 

certificate to accept a cup of coffee.



I have always wondered if an FAA employee assigned to an airshow (read 

waivered airspace) were to accept a sandwich and drink or even a cup of 

coffee from the airshow people, if it could be construed as receiving 

"gratuities" which as we all know is taboo for a government employee.

Dennis



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Excellent point! I have served a fed free beer until she was drunk, hitting on an F-15 pilot half her age, and then jumped in a pool with a white shirt on. Our show got better the next day...as we knew it would after we got back from the one hour photo store!



Maybe the rule should only apply to flight operations within the waivered airspace. I would think that sitting static and the only flying involved is to and from would not require more than what is needed for a normal flight. 



I guess anything outside of waiver airspace, say arriving on Friday and departing on Monday should be legal with a Third Class and valid ticket. If your not required to be at the briefing, how would they know you are there. You could have dropped your airplane off for the weekend!



Good point....would it hold up during a violation hearing? I agree that in your scenario, you should be able to operate with nothing more than a Third Class. Hell..even a Student Medical should suffice.

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