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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:40 am    Post subject: Panel questions Reply with quote

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Just sprung (Sprang? Emptied my checking account!) for a Dynon D-100. It comes with a remote compass. I'd normally ask EAA, but they're closed today. Do I still have to have a whiskey compass? I have a nice Airpath, but what's the sense of taking up panel space and weight if I don't have to? The D-100 also has a build in voltmeter, so I might have some brand new or like new instruments up for sale.
I've been to several hardware stores and spent hours on the net but still can't find a handle for my header shutoff. Well, I could use a plumbing handle, but you can imagine the razzing I'd take for the "H" or "C". Has to fit over a 1/2" rod. It shouldn't be threaded- I'll either modify it with setscrews or a drift pin. Any ideas? Picture attached. Remember, on an HDS this is all scratch-built stuff so I don't have a clue.
Finally, I haven't been able to find a decently priced, functional used Mode C transponder for weeks. Any leads appreciated.
Thanks, guys.
Bill Naumuk
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:29 am    Post subject: Re: Panel questions Reply with quote

Hey Bill,

You might find one by watching the Avionics List. I've found some good deals on instruments and a transceiver. Just click on the Transponder link on the left side of the page.

http://www.avionicslist.com/index.php

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:29 am    Post subject: Panel questions Reply with quote

Do what ever you want, but I have a full Dynon set up, with the Whiskey compass on the dash, and any pilot worth their salt , would want that back up.
Some schmoes will tell ou to forgo it, but if and when the electrical goes and you are 6,000 ft up at 120 knots, and 2 hours from home, will they be there to tell you, sorry they were wrong in suggesting you not having it?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:37 am    Post subject: Panel questions Reply with quote

Great lead, Dave. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:50 am    Post subject: Panel questions Reply with quote

Juan-
I was just wondering if you could legally get by without one. I have
dual backups with the Dynon lithion battery and a battery powered GPS.
Be honest now. When's the last time you used a whiskey compass for
anything other than setting a DG?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:10 am    Post subject: Panel questions Reply with quote

Hi Bill & Juan,

I can see this discussion going either way.

I have heard about DARs who wouldn't give an air worthiness
certificate without a whisky compass, but a cheap automotive one will
do. I've also heard about more modern oriented DARs willing to allow
the electronic mag. compass in the Dynon to suffice for this requirement.

If, like most pilots, you have a battery powered GPS, then it can
provide complete navigation information so long as the batteries hold
out. Most aviation GPS units also include a virtual instrument panel
which can tell you lots more than just your heading (actually track).
You can also get battery backup capability for the Dynon.

It is easy for me to imagine flying without a whiskey compass. The
only time I ever use one is to set the DG (which the Dynon does
automatically) and for those horrible partial panel instrument flight
exercises where all you get is the needle, ball, and airspeed along
with the whiskey compass and hopefully a clock to make turns.

Have fun,

Paul
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Do what ever you want, but I have a full Dynon set up, with the
Whiskey compass on the dash, and any pilot worth their salt , would
want that back up.
Some schmoes will tell ou to forgo it, but if and when the
electrical goes and you are 6,000 ft up at 120 knots, and 2 hours
from home, will they be there to tell you, sorry they were wrong in
suggesting you not having it?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Panel questions Reply with quote

Bill,

I've read stories of some DARs accepting electronic magnetometers without a whiskey compass and some who insist on a whiskey compass. My understanding of the regs is that you need a magnetic device onboard that displays your heading. I don't think the regs specifically state that it must be a whiskey compass. The EDC-10a from Dynon is a magnetic device therefore one could argue that it satisfies the requirements. I think the bottom line is to do what your DAR requires to get your airworthiness certificate. If the DAR says a whiskey compass is required, put a cheesy compass in and then remove it afterwards if you are thinking you don't want a compass in the plane.

I guess I'll be the first "schmoe" to say that I personally don't want a compass sitting on top of my panel. I have redundant EFIS units each with their own magnetometer along with a GPS. In the event of an electrical failure or my battery falling out of the plane, both EFIS units and the GPS have their own internal batteries. I also have a backup battery in case the internal batteries don't work and a small handheld GPS. I figure the chances of both EFIS units, both magnetometers, and the GPS failing all at once is quite small. Furthermore, even if I lost all electrical power or my entire panel fell out of the plane, I could always pull out my sectional and navigate by that old reliable way of getting around called pilotage.

It all comes down to what you are comfortable with.

Good Luck,

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:16 pm    Post subject: Panel questions Reply with quote

I have a $10 Walmart compass stuck to my canopy. It's an Airguide brand, weighs a couple of ounces and is marked in degrees as well as the eight cardinal directions. It has compensators to zero it out and it works like a charm. If your DAR won't sign off without a compass, this one should do fine.

For the fuel valve, you could grind flats into the end of the shaft and drill and tap the center for a screw and then the handle off a ball valve might fit it. Or you can make a handle out of a piece of flat stock by cutting a hole in one end to fit the end of the shaft and secure it with a screw and washer.
For transponders, you might try eBay: http://tinyurl.com/3fuh9v there's a few of them listed there.

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All-
Just sprung (Sprang? Emptied my checking account!) for a Dynon D-100. It comes with a remote compass. I'd normally ask EAA, but they're closed today. Do I still have to have a whiskey compass? I have a nice Airpath, but what's the sense of taking up panel space and weight if I don't have to? The D-100 also has a build in voltmeter, so I might have some brand new or like new instruments up for sale.
I've been to several hardware stores and spent hours on the net but still can't find a handle for my header shutoff. Well, I could use a plumbing handle, but you can imagine the razzing I'd take for the "H" or "C". Has to fit over a 1/2" rod. It shouldn't be threaded- I'll either modify it with setscrews or a drift pin. Any ideas? Picture attached. Remember, on an HDS this is all scratch-built stuff so I don't have a clue.
Finally, I haven't been able to find a decently priced, functional used Mode C transponder for weeks. Any leads appreciated.
Thanks, guys.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Panel questions Reply with quote

Bingo... We have a winner.

The regulations require a compass. The Dynon provides that. Unfortunately there are some DAR that don't understand the law and will give you a hassle if you don't have a we compass so put the cheapest and most removable whiskey compass you can find.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:53 pm    Post subject: Panel questions Reply with quote

Below are links to pictures of panels delivered by AMD (steam and glass gauges). Of the ones with glass I only see a wet compass in one: N7812P. As others have said the regs say something like “magnetic indicating device”. Maybe AMD just has a friendly DAR.

In the Nov ‘08 issue of Kitplanes in Unusual Attitude Ed Wischmeyer wrote this “Did you know that Light Sport Aircraft do not need a magnetic compass? They can do everything on GPS.”. I’m not sure of his basis for this, maybe because LSA are restricted to day VFR? I’d still have a “magnetic indicating device if only because the GPS network does go down.

(http://www.kitplanes.com/issues/25_11/builder_spotlight/issues_builderspotlight_8461-1.phtml - subscription required)

I’m happy with a backup battery on my glass and the internal battery in my GPS. But I also have a 3 inch round Flight II from MGL providing airspeed and RPM – something my GPS can’t provide.

AMD Steam:
http://newplane.com/650/N55ZC-005.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/N6170G-A.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/N342RJ-C.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/N701DP_026.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/N807HA-1.jpg

AMD Glass:
http://newplane.com/650/N39DN_Panel-002.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/N601NM-A.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/N7812P-004.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/N329JG_H.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/DSC_0376.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/DSC_0768s.jpg
http://newplane.com/650/N183AM_001.jpg

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:54 pm    Post subject: Panel questions Reply with quote

Hi Bill:

A few months ago I was visited by our local FSDO FAA Inspector for my airworthiness certificate. I have an automotive digital compas with a remote reading temp gauge center mounted on the top of the panel. I ask if the compas was OK and was told that the aircraft was experimental so it was not a problem.

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All-
Just sprung (Sprang? Emptied my checking account!) for a Dynon D-100. It comes with a remote compass. I'd normally ask EAA, but they're closed today. Do I still have to have a whiskey compass? I have a nice Airpath, but what's the sense of taking up panel space and weight if I don't have to? The D-100 also has a build in voltmeter, so I might have some brand new or like new instruments up for sale.
I've been to several hardware stores and spent hours on the net but still can't find a handle for my header shutoff. Well, I could use a plumbing handle, but you can imagine the razzing I'd take for the "H" or "C". Has to fit over a 1/2" rod. It shouldn't be threaded- I'll either modify it with setscrews or a drift pin. Any ideas? Picture attached. Remember, on an HDS this is all scratch-built stuff so I don't have a clue.
Finally, I haven't been able to find a decently priced, functional used Mode C transponder for weeks. Any leads appreciated.
Thanks, guys.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:48 pm    Post subject: Panel questions Reply with quote

The regulations (91.205) require a "magnetic direction indicator" but they do not specify what type of indicator is required, so any device that senses the earth's magnetic field and displays directional information derived from that sensor should meet the requirement. Nowhere does it specify that a wet compass is necessary. Technically, 91.205 only applies to aircraft with standard airworthiness certificates but I believe the operating limitations issued with an experimental certificate state that 91.205 must be complied with.

My $10 Walmart compass is the only magnetic direction indicator installed in my airplane and it's there primarily to satisfy the regulations. The remote magnetic sensor in your Dynon should also satisfy the regulations but that doesn't mean the DAR will sign off on it. When my plane was signed off, I had an vertical card compass installed so I don't know what he would have thought of the Walmart compass. I bought the Walmart compass after being unable to properly zero out the very expensive aircraft compass in a couple of different locations on the panel. It might have worked mounted on the canopy where I now have the Walmart compass but it was too big and heavy to mount there. I sold the aircraft compass on eBay and kept the Walmart compass in the airplane.

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Just sprung (Sprang? Emptied my checking account!) for a Dynon D-100. It comes with a remote compass. I'd normally ask EAA, but they're closed today. Do I still have to have a whiskey compass? I have a nice Airpath, but what's the sense of taking up panel space and weight if I don't have to? The D-100 also has a build in voltmeter, so I might have some brand new or like new instruments up for sale.
I've been to several hardware stores and spent hours on the net but still can't find a handle for my header shutoff. Well, I could use a plumbing handle, but you can imagine the razzing I'd take for the "H" or "C". Has to fit over a 1/2" rod. It shouldn't be threaded- I'll either modify it with setscrews or a drift pin. Any ideas? Picture attached. Remember, on an HDS this is all scratch-built stuff so I don't have a clue.
Finally, I haven't been able to find a decently priced, functional used Mode C transponder for weeks. Any leads appreciated.
Thanks, guys.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
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Thanks for all the input. I found a transponder, and as I said earlier, I already have a good Airpath whiskey compass. I'll just hang onto it until I find out what the DAR will accept.
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Below are links to pictures of panels delivered by AMD (steam and glass
gauges). Of the ones with glass I only see a wet compass in one: N7812P. As
others have said the regs say something like "magnetic indicating device".
Maybe AMD just has a friendly DAR.
http://newplane.com/650/N55ZC-005.jpg

My airplane has a magnetic compass on the right end of the panel. It's a
TSOd vertical card compass from Precision Aviation, Inc.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:32 pm    Post subject: Panel questions Reply with quote

Is the remote compas a "Magnetic direction device".??


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:38 pm    Post subject: Panel questions Reply with quote

The regs state "A magnetic Direction Device"...
I ve had arguments over this with FAA, DARs and IAs. I lost! Each showed
me the section in the CFRs and I lost..

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I am guessing this is a experimental build aircraft so the aircraft will not need any thing. What regulations are you looking at? No if the pilot wants to fly the aircraft he used will have requirements. I Think!!! Jerry of GA

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Bingo... We have a winner.

The regulations require a compass. The Dynon provides that. Unfortunately there are some DAR that don't understand the law and will give you a hassle if you don't have a we compass so put the cheapest and most removable whiskey compass you can find.

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Depends on the use of the aircraft.
For VFR possibly no instruments are required, however, for night or IFR the Operating Limitations issued by the DAR will include:

After completion of Phase I flight testing, unless appropiately equipped for night and/or insturment flight in accordance with FAR Section 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day only.

By the way, my plane passed the inspection without a compass. YMMV

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:28 pm    Post subject: Panel questions Reply with quote

Two years ago I called Joe Norris at EAA. Joe is the EAA Guru..... He said VFR day no compass was required. My local FAA and IA said Joe was wrong and showed me the written regs. I dont have the numbers off my head right now but I was convenced to install the magnetic compass..

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:56 pm    Post subject: Panel questions Reply with quote

And to further my experience:::
As I read the Regs I understand that for VFR day the airplane needs NOTHING...
No AS, Alt,Compass...NOTHING. The battle of wits goes on. I guess its up to your inspector and how he feels that particular day.....
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