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dlj04(at)josephson.com
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:05 am Post subject: ASTM F2245 et al

It's unfortunate that the ASTM standards aren't available for free 

public review, but they have no funding other than from their membership 

and sales of standards. The people working on their revision don't get 

paid at all. There's another route, that I would encourage anyone 

interested to follow.



For $75 a year you can join ASTM and get all of the standards that apply 

to aviation for free (you want ASTM volume 15 with your membership.) 

And, you're then welcome to join the deliberation on what they should 

include. End-users and other interested people are just as eligible as 

producers of aircraft and actually have a bigger say in the outcome 

(each producer has only one vote) although few actually participate. 

It's a bit cumbersome but if you have something to contribute you should 

really be included in the process. Decisions are made by email and 

online review and balloting. There are several committees: F37 looks 

after the light-sport rules, F39 on aircraft systems, F44 is winding up 

to do the same for GA planes to replace FAR Part 23. For now, F44 is 

focusing only on capturing the language of Part 23 and simplifying it. 

When that's done, additional "tiers" will be added to allow other levels 

of airworthiness to be planned other than what's in the rules today.

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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:06 pm Post subject: ASTM F2245 et al

At 13:03 2015-01-15, you wrote:

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It's unfortunate that the ASTM standards aren't available for free 

public review, but they have no funding other than from their 

membership and sales of standards. The people working on their 

revision don't get paid at all. There's another route, that I would 

encourage anyone interested to follow.



For $75 a year you can join ASTM and get all of the standards that 

apply to aviation for free (you want ASTM volume 15 with your 

membership.) And, you're then welcome to join the deliberation on 

what they should include. End-users and other interested people are 

just as eligible as producers of aircraft and actually have a bigger 

say in the outcome (each producer has only one vote) although few 

actually participate. It's a bit cumbersome but if you have 

something to contribute you should really be included in the 

process. Decisions are made by email and online review and 

balloting. There are several committees: F37 looks after the 

light-sport rules, F39 on aircraft systems, F44 is winding up to do 

the same for GA planes to replace FAR Part 23. For now, F44 is 

focusing only on capturing the language of Part 23 and simplifying 

it. When that's done, additional "tiers" will be added to allow 

other levels of airworthiness to be planned other than what's in the 

rules today.


	


   Excellent point . . . I'll do that. I'll also

   write to suggest that non-for profit distribution

   should be allowed . . .



   Like RTCA, ASTM is at risk for becoming 'siloed' . . .

   relatively isolated from accurate and useful

   feedback from the very folks who would are supposed

   to "benefit" by the best of what the specs have to offer

   . . . and like the EAA feedback into AC43-13 many

   years ago . . . a conduit for refinement.



   Bob . . .

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user9253

Joined: 28 Mar 2008
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Location: Riley TWP Michigan

Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: ASTM F2245 et al

Non-members and individuals are welcome to make suggestions to the ASTM committee.  I made a suggestion today concerning fuses & circuit breakers.

A2.9.2.3 Be accessible to and in clear view of the pilot.

Go to http://www.astm.org/ASK_ASTM/index.html

Click on "I am not an ASTM Member."

Fill out the form and click on an item like, "A new Work Item to revise an existing standard"

Enter F2245 for the Disignation.

Make your suggestion.

My suggestion was to add the following to A2.9.2.3

 	  Quote: 	
		  (This standard shall not apply to fusible links).

This standard shall not prohibit protection for remote circuits nor shall it prohibit complying with A2.9.2.1 	


I described the recent engine fire as a reason to implement the change.

Joe

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nuckolls.bob(at)aeroelect
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:54 am Post subject: ASTM F2245 et al

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		  I would be more than happy to split this cost of membership, for 

Bob, with anyone interested.  We have received many times more than 

this in experience and great advice.  I am sure you will be a great 

knowledgeable outspoken advocate for the OBAM community.



Anyone interested, let us know here and we can easily make a 

contribution through Paypal.



Roger


	


   Roger, thanks but that's not necessary. I've

   got a 'budget' for professional expenses that

   includes memberships and the like. In fact,

   I purchased a copy of the document without

   knowing that for a few $ more, I could have had

   the membership + the document! In a few hours

   I'll be pitching about $150 worth of proof

   of concept ECBs that were ordered to do

   beta-assemblies on some new products. Yeah,

   those dollars might have bought me some new

   goodies but the 'sacrifice' greatly improved

   the quality of my work product. It's that

   cost-of-doing-business thingy . . .



   I'll look into a cooperative involvement

   with the LSA specs effort.





   Bob . . .

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