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Jeff Moreau

Joined: 13 Sep 2006
Posts: 6
Location: Virginia Beach VA

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 2:28 pm Post subject: Cable Tie Mounting Blocks

Does anyone on the list have any experience using the stick on mounting blocks for cable ties?  I am wondering in particular if the adhesive holds up after time and if there is any need to worry about corrosion when sticking these to metal surfaces?  They sure seem convenient but I dont want to use them if they don't hold up or will cause corrosion problems down the road.  

Thanks!

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Jeff Moreau
RV8A
Virginia Beach, VA

blackoaks(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:09 pm Post subject: Cable Tie Mounting Blocks

Jeff,   I was thinking of using them,  but one fellow I know used them on his Lancair ES and said they started to let go after only a year or so....  I din't want to take the chance so used screws with washers, imbedded in the prepreg with micro.  As they say "Your mileage may vary!"  FWIW 



On 9/17/06, Jeff Moreau <jmoreau2(at)cox.net (jmoreau2(at)cox.net)> wrote:[quote] --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jeff Moreau" <jmoreau2(at)cox.net (jmoreau2(at)cox.net)>



Does anyone on the list have any experience using the stick on mounting blocks for cable ties?  I am wondering in particular if the adhesive holds up after time and if there is any need to worry about corrosion when sticking these to metal surfaces?  They sure seem convenient but I dont want to use them if they don't hold up or will cause corrosion problems down the road. 

-- 

John McMahon

Lancair Super ES, N9637M  [quote][b]

brucebell74(at)sbcglobal.
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:19 pm Post subject: Cable Tie Mounting Blocks

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N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:28 pm Post subject: Cable Tie Mounting Blocks

Are you guys talking about the ones Bob Nuckolls sells that he 

recommends attaching with E-6000, or something else?



Dave Morris



At 06:07 PM 9/17/2006, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Jeff,   I was thinking of using them,  but one fellow I know used 

them on his Lancair ES and said they started to let go after only a 

year or so....  I din't want to take the chance so used screws with 

washers, imbedded in the prepreg with micro.  As they say "Your 

mileage may vary!"  FWIW



On 9/17/06, Jeff Moreau <<mailto:jmoreau2(at)cox.net>jmoreau2(at)cox.net> wrote:


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Does anyone on the list have any experience using the stick on 

mounting blocks for cable ties?  I am wondering in particular if the 

adhesive holds up after time and if there is any need to worry about 

corrosion when sticking these to metal surfaces?  They sure seem 

convenient but I dont want to use them if they don't hold up or will 

cause corrosion problems down the road.

--

John McMahon

Lancair Super ES, N9637M



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oldbob(at)BeechOwners.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject: Cable Tie Mounting Blocks

Good Evening All,



Just as a data point. I used several of the common

stick-on type when I did a major upgrade to our

Bonanza's radio package sixteen years ago. They have

all worked just great and I have not noted any that

have failed. They were all attached to aluminum

however. I wonder if fiberglass might not gas a little

and cause them to lose their adhesiveness.



I know one data point doesn't mean much, but my

experience has been good!



Happy Skies,



Old Bob

Stearman N3977A

Downers Grove, IL

LL22



--- Dave N6030X <N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com>

 

 Are you guys talking about the ones Bob Nuckolls

 sells that he 

 recommends attaching with E-6000, or something else?

 

 Dave Morris

 

 At 06:07 PM 9/17/2006, you wrote:

 >Jeff,   I was thinking of using them,  but one

 fellow I know used 

 >them on his Lancair ES and said they started to let

 go after only a 

 >year or so....  I din't want to take the chance so

 used screws with 

 >washers, imbedded in the prepreg with micro.  As

 they say "Your 

 >mileage may vary!"  FWIW

 >

 >

 >

 >On 9/17/06, Jeff Moreau

 <<mailto:jmoreau2(at)cox.net>jmoreau2(at)cox.net> wrote:

 >

 Moreau" 

 ><<mailto:jmoreau2(at)cox.net>jmoreau2(at)cox.net>

 >

 >Does anyone on the list have any experience using

 the stick on 

 >mounting blocks for cable ties?  I am wondering in

 particular if the 

 >adhesive holds up after time and if there is any

 need to worry about 

 >corrosion when sticking these to metal surfaces? 

 They sure seem 

 >convenient but I dont want to use them if they

 don't hold up or will 

 >cause corrosion problems down the road.

 >--

 >John McMahon

 >Lancair Super ES, N9637M

planepubs(at)ev1.net
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:01 pm Post subject: Cable Tie Mounting Blocks

I use these in my occupation and as with everything  else, prep is the key.  make sure the area is clean and dry.  Bare  aluminum?  Clean the immediate area with MEK.  Painted?  Clean  with isopropyl alcohol before applying the patch.

 On 09/17/2006 6:45:28 PM, OldBob Siegfried (oldbob(at)beechowners.com (oldbob(at)beechowners.com)) wrote:

[quote]  --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: OldBob Siegfried

 <oldbob(at)beechowners.com (oldbob(at)beechowners.com)>

 Good Evening All,

 Just as a data point. I used several  of the common

 stick-on type when I did a major upgrade to our

  Bonanza's radio package sixteen years ago. They have

 all worked just  great and I have not noted any that

 have failed. They were all attached  to aluminum

 however. I wonder if fiberglass might not gas a  little

 and cause them to lose their adhesiveness.

 I  know one data point doesn't

 mean much, but my

 experience has  been good!

 Happy Skies,

 Old Bob

  Stearman N3977A

 Downers Grove, IL

 LL22

 --- Dave  N6030X <N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com (N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com)>  wrote:

 > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Dave  N6030X

 > <N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com (N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com)>

  >

 > Are you guys talking about the ones Bob Nuckolls

 >  sells that he

 > recommends attaching with E-6000, or something  else?

 >

 > Dave Morris

 >

 > At 06:07  PM 9/17/2006, you wrote:

 > >Jeff,   I was thinking of  using them,  but one

 > fellow I know used

 > >them  on his Lancair ES and said they started to let

    	  Quote: 	
		  [b]

bob(at)bob-white.com
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:43 pm Post subject: Cable Tie Mounting Blocks

I'll add one more comment to this thread.  I used quite a few of the

stick on mounting blocks.  The ones I used also have two holes for

mounting.  After sticking them down, I drilled out most of them and

secured them with 1/8" pop rivets.  I don't expect to experience any

failures. 



Bob W.



On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:28:26 -0700

"Jeff Moreau" <jmoreau2(at)cox.net> wrote:



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 Does anyone on the list have any experience using the stick on mounting blocks for cable ties?  I am wondering in particular if the adhesive holds up after time and if there is any need to worry about corrosion when sticking these to metal surfaces?  They sure seem convenient but I dont want to use them if they don't hold up or will cause corrosion problems down the road.  

 Thanks!

 

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 Jeff Moreau

 RV8A

 Virginia Beach, VA

 

 

 

 

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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject: Cable Tie Mounting Blocks

I took a different tack, probably overkill, but easy , and I think very reliable.  I cut multiple ~1" squares of 2-3 ply glass and screwed the blocks to them from the back.  Then I applied the roughened squares to the fiberglass with structural Epoxy.  They aren't going anywhere.  LRE  [quote][b]

Bob McC

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 258
Location: Toronto, ON

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:51 pm Post subject: Cable Tie Mounting Blocks

Jeff;

  

 The long term reliability of these anchors  depends, as with most things, on which ones you buy. The type that are secured  with epoxy of some sort, are reasonably long term reliable, as are the ones  noted by Bob White, if you add the rivets as he  suggests. The ones however which are secured with adhesive foam tape are  prone to rapid deterioration and bond failure if exposed to elevated temperature  or petroleum product contamination or simply excessive age. Even within  this foam tape group there are large variations in quality, largely based on  brand. So you see, the answer to your question is really, "it depends". There  are many products sold which fit the description you provided, and some work  much better than others. I have not come across an issue with corrosion with any  of these products, but, as mentioned by others, preparation is important, as is  the specific adhesive used by the brand you choose to buy. All are not created  equal.

  

 Bob McC

  

  

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Falco #908
(just starting)

kayce33(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject: Cable Tie Mounting Blocks

Q uestion, if you have these mounts less the  tape, would Bob's goop work.

 I've used it to glue stuff to a shower wall &  it was a bear to remove

 Harold, RV9A

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

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rparigor(at)SUFFOLK.LIB.N
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Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject: Cable Tie Mounting Blocks

Hello Jeff



"Does anyone on the list have any experience using the stick on mounting

blocks for cable ties?"



I would not trust them. 



My favorite way to deal with getting cable blocks or similar hose blocks

stuck, is to remove sticky back and very aggressive sand with 60 grit the

mounting face, and where it is getting stuck to, if on a composite I use

80 grit. With aluminium go as course as you dare. I get stuck with 4

minute JB Weld (Epoxy), then try and get at least 2 sides covered with 1

ply BID (BiDirectional cloth, Spruce sells it under Rutan Supplies), I

like using Redux 420, very expensive and a bit hard to find. T-88 would

probably work OK and Spruce sells it. After JB is cured, scuff sand

plastic and what you want to attach to, wet out, and fill transition with

your epoxy and with flox mixed in. Easy way to apply BID is to mark a

piece of Vis-queen the size you want, flip it over, clean off Slip with

alcohol (slip is talc that is on plastic sheeting that prevents it from

sticking together) lay on a piece of BID, and use a old credit card,

playing card, or rubber squeegee to wet out BID and remove excess. Now cut

on line, the lines will become visible once wet out, and apply with the

plastic still on. The plastic will give the BID dimensional stability.

Then once in place push it down, could use a acid brush or china bristle

brush and remove plastic.



I just did 6 fuel line pads tonight.

Sand 6 pads and target area / a few minutes

Mix JB / a few minutes

Butter 6 pads and install / a few minutes

By the time the JB cured I had the Redux mixed and 12 plies of BID wet out

and cut



Ron Parigoris

icubob(at)newnorth.net
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:51 am Post subject: Cable Tie Mounting Blocks

hi all, i think the epoxy is the way to go. jb weld  is handy but the epoxy holds much better. as i am building a plane held together  by glue.  i have , out of curiosity tested t-88 against jb weld for holding  metal to wood. hanging  increasing  weight till failure, the t-88 held  about 12 times more wt. than the jb weld. just something to think about to help  put things in perspective.  bob noffs---

jpleasants(at)bellsouth.n
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Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:19 am Post subject: Cable Tie Mounting Blocks

FWIW:

  

     I glued four of the  cheap cable tie mounting blocks to the bottom of a coffee can after removing the  foam backing from the blocks and cleaning both the plastic and the metal on the  can.

  

     Four glues were  used:

  

          Shoe goo

         Marine 5200

          Liquid Nails-- for solids, high temperature

          two-part epoxy.

  

     The bottom of the  can was painted dark to absorb heat (much as an airplane setting on a ramp in  the summertime).  I placed this can, with lid, on the dashboard of my truck  for several days while the truck was parked in the sun.

  

     The epoxy failed  after about a week of this.  All the others are still very  secure.

  

     Not scientific, but  I'm happy with the results.  YMMV.

  

 Jim Pleasants

 pile of aluminum and stuff, hoping to  transform it into an RV-7A.

   [quote][b]

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