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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:25 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

I consider that very reasonable, and if it fits the panel's

design and integration well with what someone wants,

they'd have a great system.  The only difference is you

don't have an EFIS mode on it to display attitude and

all that other stuff.  With that, it would be nearly

perfect.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:

[quote] 

 

 

 Okay, but you're not going to like it!  

 

 EX500:  $8,995

 Includes XM weather, Traffic interfaces, Stormscope interface,

 "Multilink" two-way Datalink.

 (or spend $16,985 and get a package with also a TAS600 (formerly TCAD)

 ACTIVE traffic sensor)

 

 Plus:

 JeppView chart function (we call it "CMax"):  $2,495

 

 Jeppesen subscriptions for terminal charts range from $376 for "US West"

 to $965 for "48 states" . . .

 

 But it's certified and since most charts are geo-referenced, you can

 overlay ownship and flightplans!  It supports "day" and "night" color

 palettes, too.

 

 One cool thing that is useful on a handful of charts is that Visual

 approaches are also geo-referenced.  So we can overlay your ownship on

 the chart for the Roaring Fork Visual approach to Aspen.  This give you

 great situational awareness, since you're no longer dependent on

 identifying one named mountain from another . . .

 

 TDT

 

 

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

Oh yeah, you can easily buy that.  Try Stark.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   In a message dated 4/12/2006 2:30:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, 

 CJohnston(at)popsound.com writes:

 

     MX20 is a

     thought but is a little pricey for what little I'd be using it for.

 

 Is Garmin selling the MX 20 screen to experimental's???  I thought they 

 would only market this to certified GA aircraft???  The MX 20 screen is 

 an awsome system.

  

 Patrick Scott

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jjessen(at)rcn.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

Yes.  Randy DeBauw  has one.  Check it out on Tim's site.  http://www.myrv10.com/N610RV/20050404/index.html

  

 John Jessen

  

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   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com

Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 3:12  PM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: IFR  related cockpit stuff

 

  In a message dated 4/12/2006 2:30:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,  CJohnston(at)popsound.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  MX20 is a

thought but is a little pricey for what little I'd be    using it for. 	


 Is Garmin selling the MX 20 screen to experimental's???  I thought  they would only market this to certified GA aircraft???  The MX 20 screen  is an awsome system.

  

 Patrick Scott

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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:28 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

I figured that's what you meant, but I wanted to make sure any readers

got the gist correctly . . .  : )



TDT

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GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:37 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

Thanks guys...I know what I was thinking, they are not selling the G 1000 with the two MX 20 screens except to GA folks...or at least I was told that...

  

 P

  

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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

I like the OP stuff and  have been keeping an eye on it for a while now, especially with the major  jump in Chelton prices.  It's still a option for me but I probably won't do  the integrated version.  They also don't seem to be real good about getting  any info out to the market about their going on's but then again neither is the  D2AV guys.

  

 Michael  Sausen

 -10 #352  Fuselage

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   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John  Cram

Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:55 PM

To: RV10  LIST

Subject: IFR related cockpit  stuff

 

 Guess I would be considered one of the newest on the list due to the fact  that I placed my order at SNF. But am looking at an EFIS that I have seen no one  mention. The OP Technologies display.  1. it is larger than Chelton 2. Has  an internal GPS. 3. you can mount radios and Transponder remotely.  4. It  displays approach plates.  Oh yeah is a lot cheaper than  the chelton system. Will forward first panel draft by Nick at Park Rapids  Avionics. 

  

 John Cram

 40569 ( waiting on the Emp)

  

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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

 So Tim, what's your panel going to look like?   You've been awfully quiet about the details of your own config.  

 

 Michael

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nick(at)creteaviation.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:20 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

From what I’ve been able to find in my research…   Yes the Dual Screen OP (Dual 10.4”) and the Dual Screen Chelton (Dual 7”?)  do come out about the same price.   What is steering me to recommend the OP is the added features.   The OP has a built in Eng Monitor, the screens are roughly twice the size, and the system integration is just awesome.   It will remote tune any of the old Apollo radios (and hopefully soon the Garmin GTX327 / 330 TXP’s) and the initial system usage is (in my opinion) much easier.  It reminds me of the G1000 in a lot of ways.  Don’t misunderstand, I like the Chelton; I’ve had the honor of driving my Employer’s Baron around with Dual Certified Cheltons for the last 80 hours or so.  It’s a great unit and would not complain about flying one, it just looks to me that the OP boys are getting the edge on em.     

   

Hopefully this explains some things without sounding like a rambling idiot!     

   

Nick  

Approach FastStack / Park Rapids Avionics   

   

** The views expressed are mine and mine alone and do not in anyway express the view and or opinion of my employer **  

   

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Dunne

 Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:18 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: IFR related cockpit stuff  

  

   

John,  

Is this some new OP Tech gear?  

I did some price comparisons on OP and Chelton six months ago and found they were about the same price when you compared capabilities and numbers of screens etc…  

John  

40315  

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cram

 Sent: Thursday, 13 April 2006 7:55 AM

 To: RV10 LIST

 Subject: IFR related cockpit stuff  

  

     

Guess I would be considered one of the newest on the list due to the fact that I placed my order at SNF. But am looking at an EFIS that I have seen no one mention. The OP Technologies display.  1. it is larger than Chelton 2. Has an internal GPS. 3. you can mount radios and Transponder remotely.  4. It displays approach plates.  Oh yeah is a lot cheaper than the chelton system. Will forward first panel draft by Nick at Park Rapids Avionics.   

    

   

    

John Cram  

    

40569 ( waiting on the Emp)  

    

   

    

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jesse(at)itecusa.org
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:25 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

Jepp's a lot better, and costs a lot more.  It's all a trade-off.



Do not archive.



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

 

I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of

May.  You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check

from down here.  Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at

352-465-4545.



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dmasys(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:46 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

 	  Quote: 	
		   From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston(at)popsound.com>

 Date: 2006/04/12 Wed PM 02:27:13 EDT

 To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

 Subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

 Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought

 about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution?  Be gentle with me.  I'm new to this stuff.

My current solution is not elegant, but seems reasonably functional.  I have an approach certified GPS (GX-60) and a Jepp online subscription for updates that includes nav data for approaches (but not electronic chart views); this is about $300/yr.  Before an IFR flight I print just the destination plates and a couple of plausible alternate airport's approaches if it really looks like hardball IFR, from either Airnav.com or AOPA's sites.  

Now, this leaves me out in the cold if I have an emergency and have to make an IFR approach to some airport along the way, but at that point, since the approach fix names are in the GPS, I figure I would just ask ATC for the crossing altitudes and MDA/DH for the approach, and the missed approach procedure.  Since I'm gonna be talking to them about the emergency anyway, and they're going to be watching me closer in this circumstance, it should plausibly work out.  Have had two engine failures in the past 35 years of flying, (one IFR) and both times ATC was very accommodating about working with me to find a realtime way to minimize the risks and get down safely.

Just my $0.02 until the economical perfect panel arrives...

-Dan Masys

#40448

dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:07 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

another approach. I print the origin/destination/planned alternates from 

Airnav or AOPA; update the DBs in the GPS twice a year and carry a DVD with 

the low altitude enroutes and approach plates for backup. A notebook 

computer allows retrieval of other info off the flight plan route.



- Original Message ----- 

From: "Dan Masys" <dmasys(at)cox.net>

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:45 PM

Subject: Re: IFR related cockpit stuff

 	  Quote: 	
		   



> From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston(at)popsound.com>

> Date: 2006/04/12 Wed PM 02:27:13 EDT

> To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

> Subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

>

> Has anyone with more IFR experience than me thought

> about this and arrived at a comfortable, yet suitably cool solution?  Be 

> gentle with me.  I'm new to this stuff.



 My current solution is not elegant, but seems reasonably functional.  I 

 have an approach certified GPS (GX-60) and a Jepp online subscription for 

 updates that includes nav data for approaches (but not electronic chart 

 views); this is about $300/yr.  Before an IFR flight I print just the 

 destination plates and a couple of plausible alternate airport's 

 approaches if it really looks like hardball IFR, from either Airnav.com or 

 AOPA's sites.



 Now, this leaves me out in the cold if I have an emergency and have to 

 make an IFR approach to some airport along the way, but at that point, 

 since the approach fix names are in the GPS, I figure I would just ask ATC 

 for the crossing altitudes and MDA/DH for the approach, and the missed 

 approach procedure.  Since I'm gonna be talking to them about the 

 emergency anyway, and they're going to be watching me closer in this 

 circumstance, it should plausibly work out.  Have had two engine failures 

 in the past 35 years of flying, (one IFR) and both times ATC was very 

 accommodating about working with me to find a realtime way to minimize the 

 risks and get down safely.



 Just my $0.02 until the economical perfect panel arrives...



 -Dan Masys

 #40448

armywrights(at)adelphia.n
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

Have you noticed that Garmin has released the GMX-200, larger screen size than MX-20, with all the amenities (XM/Wx/etc)  

   

Rob #392  

   

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com

 Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 5:12 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: IFR related cockpit stuff  

  

       

In a message dated 4/12/2006 2:30:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, CJohnston(at)popsound.com writes:  

   	  Quote: 	
		    

MX20 is a

 thought but is a little pricey for what little I'd be using it for.  	
  

    

Is Garmin selling the MX 20 screen to experimental's???  I thought they would only market this to certified GA aircraft???  The MX 20 screen is an awsome system.  

    

   

    

Patrick Scott  

    

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LIKE2LOOP(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

In a message dated 4/12/2006 10:08:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,  dlm46007(at)cox.net writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  A    notebook 

computer allows retrieval of other info off the flight plan    route.

	


 

     Most computer hard drive heads ride on an air cushion  just off the surface of the disk platter. Above 10,000', expect the hard drive  to crash (less air), and be permanently damaged. This ONLY matters if your  laptop is running. 

  

    There are chip based devices (no moving drive parts) that will  work fine at altitude. I found a hand held device that included a GPS and  approach plates for $1499 at Sun n Fun.... I just cant remember the  name!!!  Very nice diaplay and it put your plane on the approach plate. No  need to spend millions if you have an IFR system already on board, like a Garmin  430, etc... The hand held can give you all the plates for the country, and  "situational awareness" verified by the certified device, then ride the glide  slope down once established. 

  

 Steve

  

 DO NOT ARCHIVE   

 

Stephen  Blank      RV-10 Builder    #40499 /  Cessna 170B flyer

766 SE River Lane

Port St. Lucie, FL  34983



772-475-5556 cell - evenings and  weekends

dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

all the plates and charts are on a 1GB SDD memory. So we don't have a hard  drive running or a DVD running.

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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:43 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

Heh heh.



Avidyne Entegra PFD

Avidyne Entegra MFD

Avidyne TAS600 traffic

Avidyne MHD

GRT EIS 6000

SL30

GX60

GTX330

TruTrak Pictorial Pilot



That should be about enough toys . . .   : )



TDT

40025

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

check this

  

 http://store.myairplane.com/cgi-bin/cp-app.cgi?&rrc=N&affl=&act=&aff=&pg=prod&ref=DTPP&cat=CDTPP&catstr=HOME:CDTPP

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Kellym

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1706
Location: Sun Lakes AZ

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

If you choose to memorize the chart, there is nothing illegal about 

flying an approach without the chart. I used to do it all the time at 

airport where I was an approach controller and job required memorizing 

every airway and approach within our airspace. 91.103 is the only reg 

that applies. It references reviewing all available information BEFORE 

flight, not during. There are a couple articles in the member section of 

AOPA on this topic, including one by Barry Schiff that say the same 

thing while strongly encouraging you to carry current charts.



Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:

[quote] 

 

 

 Your local Flight Standards office might have something to say about

 flying IFR without either paper or electronic approach charts in hand .

 . .

 

 TDT

 40025

 

 

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_________________
Kelly McMullen
A&P/IA, EAA Tech Counselor # 5286
KCHD

jump2(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:37 am Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

 I went to Sun N Fun to buy the Chelton or GRT and ended up buying a dual OP Tech 8.4 intergrated system. They were very informative and they are a OEM for a couple of LSA aircraft. Got to talk to the people who make the LSA one in spain and they just love it.

   Becker is what we get with the intergrated or you can use Garmin SL30 for remote.They have a mode S transponer but need to write some sofeware, but you can use a Garmin 330, but it will not be remoted to the display. That is you will see it on the MFD but can not tune it there. Since traffic is a must in our  AC we will get the garmin 330. 

   Getting them to put landscape on Epanel next few days so we can decide landscape or portrait. Having to blow up images to size it looks lilke land scape will fit better. 

   I flew the sim at the show and it was OK by me. Reminded me of flying the sim at training.

   The bad thing  it looks like I'll be buying the Sorrcier instead of RV10 AP.

  Thanks 

  Pat

  257



"RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> wrote:

   	  Quote: 	
		          I like the OP stuff and have been keeping an eye on it for a while now, especially with the major jump in Chelton prices.  It's still a option for me but I probably won't do the integrated version.  They also don't seem to be real good about getting any info out to the market about their going on's but then again neither is the D2AV guys.

   

  Michael Sausen

  -10 #352 Fuselage

  do not archive



      From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cram

Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:55 PM

To: RV10 LIST

Subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

  

  Guess I would be considered one of the newest on the list due to the fact that I placed my order at SNF. But am looking at an EFIS that I have seen no one mention. The OP Technologies display.  1. it is larger than Chelton 2. Has an internal GPS. 3. you can mount radios and Transponder remotely.  4. It displays approach plates.  Oh yeah is a lot cheaper than the chelton system. Will forward first  panel draft by Nick at Park Rapids Avionics. 

   

  John Cram

  40569 ( waiting on the Emp)

   

  do not archive

GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:24 am Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

I'll try to see if I can locate a site from the Fed's...they now make this same information available to us, the public, for free...one of the guys from the Langley group spoke to local pilots via an FAA safety seminar recently...I'll see if I still have the reference...these updating disc are available from a number of places...but acording to a fellow presenting the information we can get it directly, vai a download, from the Fed also for free...it's somewhere out there!!!

  

 Patrick 

  

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gommone7(at)bellsouth.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:19 am Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

sorry for my stupid ignorance,who is OP ,and a relative web page.

Hugo,thanks

 	  Quote: 	

 From: Patrick Thyssen <jump2(at)sbcglobal.net>

 Date: 2006/04/13 Thu AM 07:36:17 EDT

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: IFR related cockpit stuff

  I went to Sun N Fun to buy the Chelton or GRT and ended up buying a dual OP Tech 8.4 intergrated system. They were very informative and they are a OEM for a couple of LSA aircraft. Got to talk to the people who make the LSA one in spain and they just love it.

    Becker is what we get with the intergrated or you can use Garmin SL30 for remote.They have a mode S transponer but need to write some sofeware, but you can use a Garmin 330, but it will not be remoted to the display. That is you will see it on the MFD but can not tune it there. Since traffic is a must in our  AC we will get the garmin 330. 

    Getting them to put landscape on Epanel next few days so we can decide landscape or portrait. Having to blow up images to size it looks lilke land scape will fit better. 

    I flew the sim at the show and it was OK by me. Reminded me of flying the sim at training.

    The bad thing it looks like I'll be buying the Sorrcier instead of RV10 AP.

   Thanks 

   Pat

   257

 "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> wrote:

           I like the OP stuff and have been keeping an eye on it for a while now, especially with the major jump in Chelton prices.  It's still a option for me but I probably won't do the integrated version.  They also don't seem to be real good about getting any info out to the market about their going on's but then again neither is the D2AV guys.

   Michael Sausen

   -10 #352 Fuselage

   do not archive

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   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cram

 Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:55 PM

 To: RV10 LIST

 Subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

   Guess I would be considered one of the newest on the list due to the fact that I placed my order at SNF. But am looking at an EFIS that I have seen no one mention. The OP Technologies display.  1. it is larger than Chelton 2. Has an internal GPS. 3. you can mount radios and Transponder remotely.  4. It displays approach plates.  Oh yeah is a lot cheaper than the chelton system. Will forward first panel draft by Nick at Park Rapids Avionics. 

   John Cram

   40569 ( waiting on the Emp)

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