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scrimm

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 81
Location: Gilbert, SC SC99

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:16 pm Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

Flight,

  

 It is with great regret that I  must inform you that I must sell my 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel.  But my wife  said I must sell it.  And I being the good husband that I am, always  do what my wife says!

  

 The other thing my wife said  is.. "Buy a bigger and faster airplane".  And being the good husband that I  am, I always do what she says.  Damn

  

 Additionally, I am now  soliciting suggestions for a bigger and faster  aircraft.

  

 You can see all of the aircraft  information at www.stephenscott.com/Europa/ or  it is listed in Trade A Plane

  

 Steve

  

 N42AH

 For Sale

  

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Steve Crimm
N42AH

mark(at)ouce.ox.ac.uk
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

Hi Steve,

  

 You might want to list it at http://harley.geog.ox.ac.uk/~mark/Europa/ads/.

  

 Cheers,

 Mark.

  

  

  

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garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

Steve,

  

 Jim Nelson, Jim Brown, Marvin Alvarez, myself and  many other early Europa builders have chosen to go with Vans RV-7's.   Contact me off list for details.  I still have my Europa and still love it  though.

  

 Garry Stout

 914 Trigear

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willie.harrison(at)tinyon
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

Thank you, Steve. I am forwarding your message to my wife so she can see what it takes to bring out the best in a husband...

Cheers 



Willie

G-BZNY

On 6 Jan 2007, at 01:15, Steve Crimm wrote:

[quote]  Flight,

  

 It is with great regret that I must inform you that I must sell my 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel.  But my wife said I must sell it.  And I being the good husband that I am, always do what my wife says!

  

 The other thing my wife said is.. "Buy a bigger and faster airplane".  And being the good husband that I am, I always do what she says.  Damn

  

 Additionally, I am now soliciting suggestions for a bigger and faster aircraft.

  

 You can see all of the aircraft information at www.stephenscott.com/Europa/ or it is listed in Trade A Plane

  

 Steve

  

 N42AH

 For Sale

  

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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:16 am Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

RV7 ?

Would it be possible to cross the Atlantic or the Pacific with an RV7 

and would it float if the fan stopped? Cost of gas when Putin has it all?

Graham



Garry wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Steve,

 Jim Nelson, Jim Brown, Marvin Alvarez, myself and many other early 

 Europa builders have chosen to go with Vans RV-7's.  Contact me off 

 list for details.  I still have my Europa and still love it though.

  

 Garry Stout

 914 Trigear



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garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

If your mission is crossing the Atlantic or Pacific, and fuel cost is a 

concern, perhaps purchasing a sailboat might be a better choice.



Garry

Graham Singleton wrote........

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 RV7 ?

 Would it be possible to cross the Atlantic or the Pacific with an RV7 and 

 would it float if the fan stopped? Cost of gas when Putin has it all?

 Graham



 Garry wrote:



> Steve,

> Jim Nelson, Jim Brown, Marvin Alvarez, myself and many other early Europa 

> builders have chosen to go with Vans RV-7's.  Contact me off list for 

> details.  I still have my Europa and still love it though.

>  Garry Stout

> 914 Trigear

>

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n914va(at)bvunet.net
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

At the age of 66, I would prefer to cross the Alantic in my lifetime. Are 

there any suggestions other than a sail boat.



Vaughn



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scrimm

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 81
Location: Gilbert, SC SC99

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

In the first class section of your airline of choice.



Steve 

     



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Steve Crimm
N42AH

robert.hitchcock(at)virgi
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:51 am Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

It definitely does float then? Two quality life-jackets, no life 

raft..............

Regards



Bob

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Gilles.Thesee(at)ac-greno
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:39 am Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

 	  Quote: 	
		   RV7 ?

 Would it be possible to cross the Atlantic or the Pacific with an RV7 

 and would it float if the fan stopped? Cost of gas when Putin has it all?

 Graham



Someone mentioned a larger aircraft. The RV7 has only two seats.
	


Have you considered a Dyn Aero MCR 4S ?

Larger inside (1.20 m elbow room, four seats), lighter empty weight, 

9-10 hr endurance with standard wing tanks. Same speed as a Europa (140 

kt cruise at 75%).



No, I'm not a Dyn Aero rep, only a happy builder and flyer.



Regards,

Gilles Thesee

Grenoble, France

http://contrails.free.fr

grahamsingleton(at)btinte
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:21 am Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

Garry

Cheapest is certainly an airline, however the sea is often crossed if 

you live in Europe or if you want to visit the Bahamas or Florida?

Choice of airplane depends on the kind of flying you enjoy. I enjoy 

skyscapes, mountain scenery, quiet flying and having the knowledge that 

my airplane is optimised for its purpose. So, I my prefered choice would 

be the XS MGlider. What is an RV7 optinised for apart from low cost and 

a quick build? I never flew one but I did fly RV6 a time or 3 and found 

it awfully noisy, needed a hand on the stick at all tiimes and drank an 

awful lot of fuel for the same speed. I couldn't see out much either but 

a fatter cushion might have cured that. Paul's 914 XS climbed to cruise 

altitude much quicker but the RV caught up in the cruise after an hour. 

(This was an O-320 RV)

I fear that fuel cost will hit us all pretty soon, your costs in US have 

nearly doubled already haven't they? Could double again in the next few 

years.

Graham

Garry wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 If your mission is crossing the Atlantic or Pacific, and fuel cost is 

 a concern, perhaps purchasing a sailboat might be a better choice.

grahamsingleton(at)btinte
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:25 am Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

Gilles

Is there a motor glider wing for the MCR4S, that would be superbly 

optimised for my style of flying.

Graham



Gilles Thesee wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Someone mentioned a larger aircraft. The RV7 has only two seats.

 Have you considered a Dyn Aero MCR 4S ?

 Larger inside (1.20 m elbow room, four seats), lighter empty weight, 

 9-10 hr endurance with standard wing tanks. Same speed as a Europa 

 (140 kt cruise at 75%).



 No, I'm not a Dyn Aero rep, only a happy builder and flyer.



 Regards,

 Gilles Thesee

 Grenoble, France

 http://contrails.free.fr

ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:47 am Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

Hi! Bob 

I'd expect the Classic foam wings to float but no chance of the XS

floating!

There was one once floated that ditched off Alderney until they

recovered it by towing it the wrong way then had to tow it the opposite

way (can't remember which way but I think it was successfully towed

forwards?) perhaps someone can confirm ? It could be a useful bit of

information to have stored one day !

Regards 

Bob Harrison 

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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:59 am Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

Why not? How many pounds of PVC foam needed to support the weight of a 

Rotax and a roll of glass cloth?



R.C.Harrison wrote:



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Hi! Bob 

I'd expect the Classic foam wings to float but no chance of the XS

floating!

Bob Harrison

Gilles.Thesee(at)ac-greno
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:20 am Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

 	  Quote: 	
		   Is there a motor glider wing for the MCR4S, that would be superbly 

 optimised for my style of flying.


	


Graham,

Unfortunately the MCR4S does not have motor glider wings. Too bad as 

soaring with four aboard might prove a great sensation.



Best regards,

Gilles

http://contrails.free.fr

ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:54 am Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

Hi! Graham 

I think the volume displacement of the xs with the voids in the wings

wouldn't be sufficient to float the whole a/c. If anything it may just

float but with the tail on the surface nose down. Now if a device such

as a crash air bag automatically and permanently inflated from a box

situated just in front of the fire wall .......?( Just filing for the

patent !)



Robt.C.Harrison

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thomas(at)scherer.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:01 pm Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

The Europa will carry you across the Ocean in some 26 hrs of flighttime. 

They have even put ome islands with fuel supplies in the Atlantic.



Canada ~ Greenland ~ Island ~ Birthplace of Europa would be the scenic route 

and the Azores the warmer choice. With some luck on the winds a Europa would 

also do it nonstop.



Happy New Year everyone, and please no full flaps on the base-leg.



<Thomas, N81EU>



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ami(at)mcfadyean.freeserv
Guest

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

<<they recovered it by towing it the wrong way>>



That may have been a Katana.

It had the flaps down when it was towed the wrong way, which removed the 

flaps!



I guess the Classic would float until such time as the hollowed out foam 

cores had flooded. The weight of the engine would probably result in the a/c 

floating nose down with the tail out of the water; so no buoyancy 

contribution from that.



A Cessna 152 takes 17 minutes to sink (i.e. for all of the trapped air to 

escape).



Duncan McF.

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Ivor Phillips

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 253
Location: London UK

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:59 pm Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

It was a Grob Motor glider!

http://www.sarangan.org/europa_forum/1996-09/msg00139.html

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fklein(at)orcasonline.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:48 am Post subject: 2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale

This thread (previously "2002 Europa XS Mono Wheel for Sale) on a 

Europa's buoyancy intrigues a pilot who lives on an island and expects 

his XS to fly over water frequently...enough so to consider the 

possibility of injecting (non-expanding) foam into the voids forward of 

the wing spar.



I will do some research w/ a specialty insulation contractor who has 

the equipment to do such a thing and report back.



Any initial comments?



Fred

A194



On Tuesday, January 9, 2007, at 01:55 PM, ivor.phillips wrote:



[quote] 

 <ivor.phillips(at)ntlworld.com>



 It was a Grob Motor glider!

 http://www.sarangan.org/europa_forum/1996-09/msg00139.html

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