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sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.c
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject: Thoughts after 35 hours

I now have 35 hours on the RV-10 and everything has gone almost perfect.    

   

I did want to point out the one issue that I did have about 6 hours ago and it may be something to look at.  The tube that attaches on the left side of the baffles that feeds air to the oil cooler broke during flight.  The ring has about 8 rivets in it but the tube is only tack welded in a couple of spots. My oil temps are normally around 185 and then they jumped to 213, it was still getting about ½ the air. Luckily it was 45 degrees out.  I made four small brackets and reattached it so that it can’t break again.  That is a pretty weak piece though, you may want to reinforce to begin with.   

   

My #1 and #2 cylinders are running the hottest. I cut ¼” off the baffle that covers the #2 cylinder and it made a huge difference.  Now #2 is 20 degrees cooler than #1.  I am going to cut the other tonight.    

   

I had a bad Grand   Rapids oil pressure sensor that was replaced.  It would read either zero or 99.  I hooked up a mechanical sensor and it showed 65 psi at a high idle so I replaced it.  Apparently, they have had some issues with them so watch for that.   

   

One thing that I absolutely love is the throttle quadrant.  I was afraid that I wouldn’t get the fine tuning that I thought push pull controls give but I find myself pulling the throttle and the prop back together and I can adjust them much quicker and with more accuracy than the push pulls.  I would highly recommend it if you are on the fence.    

   

The Cheltons are great but so are the Grand Rapids, I will have to write a side by side comparison as soon as I am more familiar with both.  I am still tweaking the autopilot gains on both and learning the approach procedures on both.  But I am very happy that I have the Cheltons, they are really nice.   

   

I love how the plane fly’s with 3 or 4 people.  With two you really need a little weight in the back to balance it out.  

   

My only problem now is that I can’t stop flying long enough to paint the gear leg fairings.  

   

Scott Schmidt  

sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com  

   

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject: Thoughts after 35 hours

Scott Schmidt wrote:

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		   I now have 35 hours on the RV-10 and everything has gone almost perfect.  

 

  

 

 I did want to point out the one issue that I did have about 6 hours ago 

 and it may be something to look at.  The tube that attaches on the left 

 side of the baffles that feeds air to the oil cooler broke during 

 flight.  The ring has about 8 rivets in it but the tube is only tack 

 welded in a couple of spots. My oil temps are normally around 185 and 

 then they jumped to 213, it was still getting about ½ the air. Luckily 

 it was 45 degrees out.  I made four small brackets and reattached it so 

 that it can’t break again.  That is a pretty weak piece though, you may 

 want to reinforce to begin with.

 

  


	


Thanks for the post on this Scott, you've given me something

else to check on.  Haven't had a problem yet, but I better

at least inspect mine.



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 My #1 and #2 cylinders are running the hottest. I cut ¼” off the baffle 

 that covers the #2 cylinder and it made a huge difference.  Now #2 is 20 

 degrees cooler than #1.  I am going to cut the other tonight.  

 

  


	


You're finding exactly what I did.  Now for more info..... I ended

up cutting a LOT more off than original.  I haven't taken any

photos of the latest yet, but I'll describe...



On the outside ends of the plate, I have it trimmed very short,

tapering higher as you go towards the engine.  It's maybe 3/8"

tall on the skinny end, and I've probably cut almost half of the

baffle off on the inside now.  The top of the cylinder head

is probably the hottest, and those higher up fins didn't get

hardly any airflow with the baffle in place.  It's very

hard to describe without photos, so I'll try to remember to take

some and add them to my cooling page soon.  Vic removed his

altogether, so don't worry too much about cutting them down

about half of their original size.  It improved each time I cut.

Now #1/2/5/6 are all similar.



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 I had a bad Grand Rapids oil pressure sensor that was replaced.  It 

 would read either zero or 99.  I hooked up a mechanical sensor and it 

 showed 65 psi at a high idle so I replaced it.  Apparently, they have 

 had some issues with them so watch for that.

 

  


	


I had a bad oil temp probe from them.



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 One thing that I absolutely love is the throttle quadrant.  I was afraid 

 that I wouldn’t get the fine tuning that I thought push pull controls 

 give but I find myself pulling the throttle and the prop back together 

 and I can adjust them much quicker and with more accuracy than the push 

 pulls.  I would highly recommend it if you are on the fence.  

 

  


	


Once again, you're finding EXACTLY the same thing that I did.

People who claim they want push-pulls for better fine tuning

really need to fly the quadrant.  It's very superior to

the push-pulls I flew in Van's -10's...wouldn't you agree?

They are awesome, and I can quickly get within 10 RPM, or

.1 or 2 MP, and then a little nudge finishes the job.  I am

far more precise flying my quadrant than those dang push

pulls in 220RV that made me look like a bumbling idiot.

Like I said, people might have preconceived notions that

the push pulls are more precise, but FLY THE QUADRANT and

compare to the push pulls from Van's and you'll know.



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 The Cheltons are great but so are the Grand Rapids, I will have to write 

 a side by side comparison as soon as I am more familiar with both.  I am 

 still tweaking the autopilot gains on both and learning the approach 

 procedures on both.  But I am very happy that I have the Cheltons, they 

 are really nice.

 

  


	


What can I say....you're only going to get more impressed.

Call me some night and I'll fill you in on some more neat

stuff.  Like try the MENU - PEAKS ON using the engine page,

and then lean to peak once.   Also, MENU - FUNCTION (or is it

FORMAT...the top one) and don't choose MAP, but try the

other options...there's a great route data page there.

I still get amazed even after 170 hours when I find new

cool things.   What you REALLY REALLY need to do is go

fly with someone who's really good with the Cheltons.

You'll walk away with your mouth open and jaw hanging down.

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 I love how the plane fly’s with 3 or 4 people.  With two you really need 

 a little weight in the back to balance it out.

 

  


	


And I think you get more speed with 4 too, as long as

they're not fatties. 



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 My only problem now is that I can’t stop flying long enough to paint the 

 gear leg fairings.

 

  


	


HA!!!!!  Now THAT I can absolutely buy into....that was so

painful to have to do the wheel and leg fairings after

first flight....it was just AWFUL.  It would have seemed

much easier and quicker if I did it before I flew. Your

mental state changes drastically!

Thanks for the report Scott, I'm glad to see that I'm

not going down the path alone!  Again, if you ever

want to chit-chat, you've got my number.  Perhaps we'll

have to take a boring weekend and meet in the middle

somewhere soon.  I learned the hard way though when

flying to Vegas that I really have no desire to ever

fly over Nebraska again....so let's plan a little

bit cooler route.   (Sorry Dean, and you other

Nebraska-ins, but man, there's not much out there in

some places.)



Have fun!



Tim

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ddddsp1(at)juno.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject: Thoughts after 35 hours

NOTHING in Nebraska?...........I usually read these post and blow most of the snipes off....but not when you DIG on Nebraska.  LOL.   I will give both your families ROOM and BOARD if you meet in Grand Island, Nebraska to check each others planes.  It is a 2.5 hour flight for Tim and a 3.8 hour flight(tailwind) for Scott to GI, NE. Plus 100LL is down to $3.17 per gal.     

Scott,  I put a nice bead of PROSEAL around the oil cooler flange as I did not like the tack welds on it either.  I also put Proseal on the flange to seal/cushion it to the baffling.  I love Proseal!!!! 

OK, with Free room and board and cheap gas............is it more enticing to come to NE now TIM?   

You guys still make me envious when you discuss your flying... BUT, 805HL will be flying with the best YUGO panel ever .....SOON. 

Open invitation, 

Dean 40449 



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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject: Thoughts after 35 hours

I know Nebraska is a little closer to the middle than central Florida, but the offer stands (the room and board offer) if you decide to meet here as well.  And hey, the gas here is $3.10 and possibly dropping again in the next couple of days.  $.07 cheaper gas and the enjoyment of flying an extra 3 hours each average (one way, of course).  What could beat that?  

   

That offer stands for anybody flying a -10 through here.  We would love to look at your plane and put you up for a night.  

   

Do not archive.  

     

Jesse Saint  

I-TEC, Inc.  

jesse(at)itecusa.org (jesse(at)itecusa.org)  

www.itecusa.org  

W: 352-465-4545  

C: 352-427-0285  

        

  

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NOTHING in Nebraska?...........I usually read these post and blow most of the snipes off....but not when you DIG on Nebraska.  LOL.   I will give both your families ROOM and BOARD if you meet in Grand Island, Nebraska to check each others planes.  It is a 2.5 hour flight for Tim and a 3.8 hour flight(tailwind) for Scott to GI, NE. Plus 100LL is down to $3.17 per gal.      

Scott,  I put a nice bead of PROSEAL around the oil cooler flange as I did not like the tack welds on it either.  I also put Proseal on the flange to seal/cushion it to the baffling.  I love Proseal!!!!  

OK, with Free room and board and cheap gas............is it more enticing to come to NE now TIM?    

You guys still make me envious when you discuss your flying... BUT, 805HL will be flying with the best YUGO panel ever .....SOON.  

Open invitation,  

Dean 40449  



 

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:07 pm Post subject: Thoughts after 35 hours

Scott, (and all)...



I just wanted to let you know that regarding the baffle in front

of cylinders #1 and #2, I have taken some photos tonight and

updated the page at:

http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20061022/index.html



You may want to take a peek before heading to the hanger again,

as I'm betting you can further improve your #1 and #2 cylinders.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Scott Schmidt wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I now have 35 hours on the RV-10 and everything has gone almost perfect.  

 

  

 

 I did want to point out the one issue that I did have about 6 hours ago 

 and it may be something to look at.  The tube that attaches on the left 

 side of the baffles that feeds air to the oil cooler broke during 

 flight.  The ring has about 8 rivets in it but the tube is only tack 

 welded in a couple of spots. My oil temps are normally around 185 and 

 then they jumped to 213, it was still getting about ½ the air. Luckily 

 it was 45 degrees out.  I made four small brackets and reattached it so 

 that it can’t break again.  That is a pretty weak piece though, you may 

 want to reinforce to begin with.

 

  

 

 My #1 and #2 cylinders are running the hottest. I cut ¼” off the baffle 

 that covers the #2 cylinder and it made a huge difference.  Now #2 is 20 

 degrees cooler than #1.  I am going to cut the other tonight.  

 

  

 

 I had a bad Grand Rapids oil pressure sensor that was replaced.  It 

 would read either zero or 99.  I hooked up a mechanical sensor and it 

 showed 65 psi at a high idle so I replaced it.  Apparently, they have 

 had some issues with them so watch for that.

 

  

 

 One thing that I absolutely love is the throttle quadrant.  I was afraid 

 that I wouldn’t get the fine tuning that I thought push pull controls 

 give but I find myself pulling the throttle and the prop back together 

 and I can adjust them much quicker and with more accuracy than the push 

 pulls.  I would highly recommend it if you are on the fence.  

 

  

 

 The Cheltons are great but so are the Grand Rapids, I will have to write 

 a side by side comparison as soon as I am more familiar with both.  I am 

 still tweaking the autopilot gains on both and learning the approach 

 procedures on both.  But I am very happy that I have the Cheltons, they 

 are really nice.

 

  

 

 I love how the plane fly’s with 3 or 4 people.  With two you really need 

 a little weight in the back to balance it out.

 

  

 

 My only problem now is that I can’t stop flying long enough to paint the 

 gear leg fairings.

 

  

 

 Scott Schmidt

 

 sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.com

 

  

 

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:12 pm Post subject: Thoughts after 35 hours

Hey Dean, I was wondering if you were going to catch that. 

Yeah, it was boring and flat, but I'm not sure if that's what

it's like where you are located.   It's close enough though to

make an easy stop, or whatever to meet up with Scott.

Looks like the gas prices are dropping from yours and Jesse's

replies.  Gas at my airport only briefly went to $3.90 this

year, but quickly dropped back down to $3.20 where it has been

for a while.  It's hard to actually believe you feel *good* when

you're *only* paying $3.20 per gallon....



I like your idea of proseal around that flange.  It's not really

structural, but it should could easily help prevent it from

cracking the welds and falling off, so it's probably a great

idea for people to do.



I can't wait to hear when your first flight is coming.  Shoot

an email as you have projected dates...if the weather is good

and I'm bored, it might make a good bit of entertainment to

come down there and watch.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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ddddsp1(at)juno.com wrote:

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		   NOTHING in Nebraska?...........I usually read these post and blow most 

 of the snipes off....but not when you DIG on Nebraska.  LOL.   I will 

 give both your families ROOM and BOARD if you meet in Grand Island, 

 Nebraska to check each others planes.  It is a 2.5 hour flight for Tim 

 and a 3.8 hour flight(tailwind) for Scott to GI, NE. Plus 100LL is down 

 to $3.17 per gal.   

 

 Scott,  I put a nice bead of PROSEAL around the oil cooler flange as I 

 did not like the tack welds on it either.  I also put Proseal on the 

 flange to seal/cushion it to the baffling.  I love Proseal!!!!

 

 OK, with Free room and board and cheap gas............is it more 

 enticing to come to NE now TIM?  

 

 You guys still make me envious when you discuss your flying... BUT, 

 805HL will be flying with the best YUGO panel ever .....SOON.

 

 Open invitation,

 

 Dean 40449

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Ray.R.Doerr(at)sprint.com
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:29 am Post subject: Thoughts after 35 hours

I sent my baffle with the oil cooler ring on it to our local airport welder to weld the ring completely around the perimeter of it.  There is no way it is coming apart now.  Van's really needs to have this welded better.



Thank You

Ray Doerr

40250

N519RV Flying with 166 hours and still no paint or wheel pants.  Just too much fun to fly.



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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:59 am Post subject: Thoughts after 35 hours

Anyone explain this to Van's?  



John J



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sschmidt(at)ussynthetic.c
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Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject: Thoughts after 35 hours

I haven't said anything yet, but I will shoot them an e-mail. 



Scott Schmidt

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