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VE3LVO(at)rac.ca
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 Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:46 am Post subject: I beg to differ |
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Cheers - I should like to debate the following statements made here today,
because unchallenged they tend to become lore.
"We can quibble over the technical details of OBAM, but what Bob has
done is to apply a bit of marketing savvy to an otherwise technical
endeavor."
I don't think so. What he has done is to describe the condition
which prevails.
"OBAM is a marketing term. No marketing expert would EVER use the terms
"amateur" or "experimental" in a concept he was trying to sell to the public
as safe and reliable.
The author is a victim of his own language. Amateur or Experimantal
are not derogatory terms to the knowledgeable. Amateur infers "lover" in the
dedicated sense. Only baseball players and "professional" pallbearers would
misunderstand the term. I presume trhe author would apply 'professional' to
every tool in his garden shed - not realising that they are rightfully
'Commercial' - because they sell - just like ballplayers.
In fact Amateurs are mostly Professionals since because they love the work
they do, they apply the highest possible quality to their product - whether
it be the Theory of Relativity or hospital volunteering.
Professionals are those who contribute to the best of their ability having
regard for experience, training, practice and conscience and then proclaim
it - profess.
"While I was building my "HOMEBUILT", I was reminded virtually every day by
my boss that I was doing something dangerous, and he would provide me with a
printed copy of every news story of somebody
crashing in an airplane."
Good Lord! I suppose his fulltime work was providing you with
statistics and articles on driving to work.
"In this day and age, perception is more valuable than reality."
What a shame - perception is different for each of us, reality
is the same for all. That homebuilt will be perceived to fly but will it
really? Ask the boss.
"Just look at the "V chip". There is no such thing. But in the minds of
millions of Americans, it exists, and the government created it to help
them. What a marketing coup!!"
I think I've made my point.
" Perfume is another great example. How else could you sell a half ounce
of water for over $100?"
Lie perhaps? - or specialise in advertising to the ignorant?
"It's all in the marketing."
See above.
"Changing the name of that dastardly, dangerous contraption from an AMATEUR
(unskilled) built EXPERIMENTAL (might not work) aircraft to an "Owner Built
and Maintained" is mainly for the consumption of the PUBLIC, ............. "
I suspect the author is putting assumptions (not his swiftest
quality) into Bob Nuckols' intentions. It also implies the PUBLIC is stupid
and easily swayed. If that is true his boss is a perfect example. Perhaps
that is what marketting is - consumption by the stupid?
".........not the people who know that obviously the owner isn't going to be
doing ALL the work on it if he doesn't want to. We can call it an
"uncertified" if we want to. But don't let the public know."
Lord, no. The less they know the better - to sell.
Ferg Kyle
Europa A064 914 Classic
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N6030X(at)DaveMorris.com
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: I beg to differ |
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Well, you obviously have never been involved in marketing! LOL!
Dave
At 09:45 AM 8/18/2006, you wrote:
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Cheers - I should like to debate the following statements made here today,
because unchallenged they tend to become lore.
"We can quibble over the technical details of OBAM, but what Bob has
done is to apply a bit of marketing savvy to an otherwise technical
endeavor."
I don't think so. What he has done is to describe the condition
which prevails.
"OBAM is a marketing term. No marketing expert would EVER use the terms
"amateur" or "experimental" in a concept he was trying to sell to the public
as safe and reliable.
The author is a victim of his own language. Amateur or Experimantal
are not derogatory terms to the knowledgeable. Amateur infers "lover" in the
dedicated sense. Only baseball players and "professional" pallbearers would
misunderstand the term. I presume trhe author would apply 'professional' to
every tool in his garden shed - not realising that they are rightfully
'Commercial' - because they sell - just like ballplayers.
In fact Amateurs are mostly Professionals since because they love the work
they do, they apply the highest possible quality to their product - whether
it be the Theory of Relativity or hospital volunteering.
Professionals are those who contribute to the best of their ability having
regard for experience, training, practice and conscience and then proclaim
it - profess.
"While I was building my "HOMEBUILT", I was reminded virtually every day by
my boss that I was doing something dangerous, and he would provide me with a
printed copy of every news story of somebody
crashing in an airplane."
Good Lord! I suppose his fulltime work was providing you with
statistics and articles on driving to work.
"In this day and age, perception is more valuable than reality."
What a shame - perception is different for each of us, reality
is the same for all. That homebuilt will be perceived to fly but will it
really? Ask the boss.
"Just look at the "V chip". There is no such thing. But in the minds of
millions of Americans, it exists, and the government created it to help
them. What a marketing coup!!"
I think I've made my point.
" Perfume is another great example. How else could you sell a half ounce
of water for over $100?"
Lie perhaps? - or specialise in advertising to the ignorant?
"It's all in the marketing."
See above.
"Changing the name of that dastardly, dangerous contraption from an AMATEUR
(unskilled) built EXPERIMENTAL (might not work) aircraft to an "Owner Built
and Maintained" is mainly for the consumption of the PUBLIC, ............. "
I suspect the author is putting assumptions (not his swiftest
quality) into Bob Nuckols' intentions. It also implies the PUBLIC is stupid
and easily swayed. If that is true his boss is a perfect example. Perhaps
that is what marketting is - consumption by the stupid?
".........not the people who know that obviously the owner isn't going to be
doing ALL the work on it if he doesn't want to. We can call it an
"uncertified" if we want to. But don't let the public know."
Lord, no. The less they know the better - to sell.
Ferg Kyle
Europa A064 914 Classic
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cjensen(at)dts9000.com
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:38 am Post subject: I beg to differ |
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Fergus,
You are obviously an amatuer when it comes to word definition, use and
connotations....just kidding but hopefully you see the point. By your
posting, this should be a compliment, but I doubt it was taken that way.
The words, such as 'amatuer' and 'experimental' are harmless in their
own right, but their meaning and connotation to the recipient is
something altogether different. Why do you think some experimental
aircraft owners will intimate that their aircraft were actually built by
a Professional builder (though in a whisper and while looking furtively
over their shoulder).
One last point about connotation/perceptions/impressions being able to
overwhelming facts/truth/common sense. A few years ago, a legislator
was critical of the appropriation for a project. He declared that it
was a 'niggardly amount'. Suffice to say, news media and special
interest groups, including the NAACP, came down on his head and, among
other things, demanded an apology. Of course, it wasn't he that should
have offered a humble, and embarrassed, apology.
Just an example of how communication is dependant on word choice, even
if the word choice, per Webster, is accurate, correct and not harmful in
the least---so, in my mind, OBAM it is.
Chuck Jensen
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rv10(at)tpg.com.au
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject: I beg to differ |
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Fergus Kyle wrote:
| Quote: | It also implies the PUBLIC is stupid
and easily swayed. If that is true his boss is a perfect example. Perhaps
that is what marketting is - consumption by the stupid?
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And right there you have hit the nail on the head!!
Also, politics is the art of appealing to the fears of the stupid.
Have fun,
Scott Lewis
Adelaide, South Australia
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rv8ch
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Location: Switzerland
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: I beg to differ |
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Scott Lewis wrote:
| Quote: | Fergus Kyle wrote:
> It also implies the PUBLIC is stupid and easily swayed. If that is
> true his boss is a perfect example. Perhaps that is what marketting
> is - consumption by the stupid?
And right there you have hit the nail on the head!!
Also, politics is the art of appealing to the fears of the stupid.
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I agree but I would change the word "stupid" to "ignorant". I don't
believe there are hundreds of millions of stupid people around the world
voting against their own interests, they are simply ignorant of what's
happening around them.
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Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
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franz(at)lastfrontierheli
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:51 am Post subject: I beg to differ |
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Would anybody know the e-mail address of Charlie Kuss, RV builder. I would
like to contact him regarding his conversion of the brake system to
automotive grade fluid.
Thanks
Franz,
RV7A, in the paint shop
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nuckollsr(at)cox.net
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:44 am Post subject: I beg to differ |
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At 09:50 AM 8/19/2006 -0700, you wrote:
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Would anybody know the e-mail address of Charlie Kuss, RV builder. I would
like to contact him regarding his conversion of the brake system to
automotive grade fluid.
Thanks
Franz,
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His address appears at the top of every message he's
posted and shows up in my e-mail client as:
Charlie Kuss <chaztuna(at)adelphia.net>
Bob . . .
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