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BitterlichMG(at)cherrypoi
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:27 am Post subject: Pilot versus Aircraft

Sorry for adding my comments to this.... but  hey Pappy... I love ya buddy, but you asked for it!   (B I G  smile!)  

  

 Anyway......Pappy's comments below remind me  of what a man said a long time ago about people who own Harley Davidson  motorcycles.  His comment went something like this:  "There was a time  when the man made the motorcycle and not the motorcyle the  man."  .  

  

 That said, and to spell it out  clearly.....  a lot of P-51's were shot down by ME109's and  FW190's.  As a matter of fact... compare this tidbit... who was the United  States Top Ace in WW-II ???  Of course that would be  Richard Bong,  who for the most part flew P-38's. He had 40 confirmed kills.  Who was the  leading ace for the Luftwaffe?  Well that would be Erich "Bubi" Hartmann  with 352 confirmed victories.  Hmmmm.....   

  

 Clearly, it is not the airplane that makes  the man, but the man who makes the airplane.  

  

 Mark Bitterlich

     

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   Ever see those high    altitude WW2 gun camera films?  The P-51s with the slightly higher    aspect wing was turning in side those 109s &190s.  No steep angles of    bank up there.  Makes me think that once again the CJ would woop some ass    up there too!  Speed below - lift above.

    

   "Oh give me a CJ-6    A

   And send me into the    fray.

   With guns and    panache

   I'll kick any    ass.

   Yes! give me a CJ-6    A."

    

   Pappy

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fish(at)aviation-tech.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:44 am Post subject: Pilot versus Aircraft

Mark,



Remember the Germans, Japanese and others started fighting in 1938, and all

their pilots fought untill killed or the war ended. Our pilots flew for a specific

period of time and were transfered home. 



I think that if you could pit the best of all countries, any of the top aces

could win on any given Sunday!



Fly Safe

John Fischer

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Sorry for adding my comments to this.... but hey Pappy... I love ya buddy,


	


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		  but you asked for it!   (B I G smile!)  

 

Anyway......Pappy's comments below remind me of what a man said a long time


	


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		  ago about people who own Harley Davidson motorcycles.  His comment went

something like this:  "There was a time when the man made the motorcycle and


	


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		  not the motorcyle the man."  .  

 

That said, and to spell it out clearly.....  a lot of P-51's were shot down


	


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		  by ME109's and FW190's.  As a matter of fact... compare this tidbit... who


	


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		  was the United States Top Ace in WW-II ???  Of course that would be  Richard


	


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		  Bong, who for the most part flew P-38's. He had 40 confirmed kills.  Who was


	


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		  the leading ace for the Luftwaffe?  Well that would be Erich "Bubi" Hartmann


	


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		  with 352 confirmed victories.  Hmmmm.....   

 

Clearly, it is not the airplane that makes the man, but the man who makes

the airplane.  

 

Mark Bitterlich

    

 



Ever see those high altitude WW2 gun camera films?  The P-51s with the

slightly higher aspect wing was turning in side those 109s &190s.  No steep


	


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		  angles of bank up there.  Makes me think that once again the CJ would woop


	


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		  some ass up there too!  Speed below - lift above.

 

"Oh give me a CJ-6 A

And send me into the fray.

With guns and panache

I'll kick any ass.

Yes! give me a CJ-6 A."

 

Pappy

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a35plt(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject: Pilot versus Aircraft

Since this is the Yak-List I would also like to remind

ya'll that the highest scoring ALLIED ace was Ivan

Kozhedub of the Soviet air force (VVS). Flew P-39's,

P-40's, Yaks and LaGG series fighters.

Asking who the highest scoring allied ace is a sure

way to win a free beer with this info, as everybody

always guesses it was Johnny Johnson, Dick Bong, etc.

   Hope to see everybody down in Waycross Saturday.

                                    -Robert Starnes   



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BitterlichMG(at)cherrypoi
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: Pilot versus Aircraft

You're absolutely right!  Nice trick question by the way.  Were you aware that Ivan also actually shot down an ME-262 AND,   

TWO P-51's?     

His LA-5 was mistaken for a FW-190 and the two P-51's opened up on him... he had no choice but to shoot back, which he did with great effect .... one pilot bailed out, and the other was killed.    

Another interesting tidbit is that Bubi surrendered to the Americans and was promptly turned over to the Soviets who imprisoned him for the next 10 years for "war crimes".  They admitted their error decades later after he died.    

Mark Bitterlich  

  

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