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jaybrinkmeyer(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:08 am Post subject: Is D2A out of business?

Can someone summarize what happened in 100 words or less? I heard the words

legal and lost money used in the same sentence and that can't be good. Is

Chelton still shipping anything or are folks out of luck?



Jay

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     1. There are no backorders at CFS to be shipped to D2A.

      2. CFS has hired a manager for the experimental department which will 

      deal through dealers to individuals.

      3. CFS is in the process of getting inventory.

      4. Pricing for the system is planned to remain the same for the present.

      5. Pinpoint GADAHRS to remain experimental.

      6. CFS software will continue to support use of legacy sensors i.e. XBOW 

      425EX but hardware maintenance for those sensors is the manufacturers 

      responsibility.

      7. Chelton will supply via their website; software upgrades and DB 

      updates.

      

      

      THE FOLLOWING INFO DID NOT _REPEAT NOT _COME FROM CHELTON.

      

      but was gleaned from other individuals in other conversations.

      

      1. XBOW is supplying their AHRS for the AFS EFIS; if they make it 

      reliable for AFS, why not D2A?

      2. There may be grounds for legal action against XBOW for those who 

      have, in hand, a 425EX.

      3. About 80 Chelton systems were sold by D2A.

      4. Service for the IDUs will be available as both CFS and the IDU 

      supplier to D2A are still in business.

      

      

      DO NOT ARCHIVE

      



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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:40 am Post subject: Is D2A out of business?

Jay,



It would definitely take more than 100 words to give a good description.

The short of it is that D2AV was taking money and not ordering systems

(they did not manufacture them themselves).  Chelton's current position

is that since nobody ordered systems from them (nobody being D2AV), that

they really aren't much involved in this whole fiasco.  But Chelton

does have systems, and can have them delivered soon, including the AHRS,

for customers willing to buy through the dealers (NOT through D2AV).

The kicker to that is, regardless of the fact that Chelton was not

directly involved in the financial screwing that happened, they will

absolutely have to be involved in the solution, or they will find that

not only will the future customers go away, but the dealers that can

buy from them will not be interested in dealing with them either if

they didn't participate in the "healing process".



So yes, right now the dealers are working with the lawyers to develop

strategies and determine options.



Meanwhile, all of the above, and below, and everything else is in

complete limbo until the Holidays are over, so there really isn't going

to be much more news than that until at least next week at the

earliest.  That means it's still really too early to determine if

anyone is out of luck.  Everyone might be down on their luck today,

but until a solid answer is obtained, nobody knows if they lost anything

yet...other than time.



History has shown many examples of people losing lots of money to

companies in this business....from Kits, to Engines, and other

things as well.  Hopefully this one will have a different outcome.



On a side note, I was thinking that I'm not actually in this

same boat, since I have a fully delivered and well-working system.

But I realized recently that there actually is one item in my panel

that is a "temporary", from another well-known company, and my order

was taken pre-production back in about May 2005 and it has yet to

show.  It's a minor inconvenience for me, but it does help keep

my perspective on how some people must be feeling today.  Hopefully

CFS's new years resolution is to not let any of these customers

walk away without working systems.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Jay Brinkmeyer wrote:

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 Can someone summarize what happened in 100 words or less? I heard the words

 legal and lost money used in the same sentence and that can't be good. Is

 Chelton still shipping anything or are folks out of luck?

 

 Jay

 do not archive

 

      1. There are no backorders at CFS to be shipped to D2A.

       2. CFS has hired a manager for the experimental department which will 

       deal through dealers to individuals.

       3. CFS is in the process of getting inventory.

       4. Pricing for the system is planned to remain the same for the present.

       5. Pinpoint GADAHRS to remain experimental.

       6. CFS software will continue to support use of legacy sensors i.e. XBOW 

       425EX but hardware maintenance for those sensors is the manufacturers 

       responsibility.

       7. Chelton will supply via their website; software upgrades and DB 

       updates.

       

       

       THE FOLLOWING INFO DID NOT _REPEAT NOT _COME FROM CHELTON.

       

       but was gleaned from other individuals in other conversations.

       

       1. XBOW is supplying their AHRS for the AFS EFIS; if they make it 

       reliable for AFS, why not D2A?

       2. There may be grounds for legal action against XBOW for those who 

       have, in hand, a 425EX.

       3. About 80 Chelton systems were sold by D2A.

       4. Service for the IDUs will be available as both CFS and the IDU 

       supplier to D2A are still in business.

       

       

       DO NOT ARCHIVE

       

 

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stein(at)steinair.com
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:07 am Post subject: Is D2A out of business?

Guys,



If you're a customer of mine in this situation you should be receiving

updates DIRECTLY from me.  If you haven't drop me a line off list and we'll

make sure you're added to my distribution.  If you are not one of my

customers, I would strongly urge you to speak to your dealer.  Also, the "I

heard from reliable sources"  or "gleaned from other conversations" is NOT a

good source of information right now.



Even the "facts" as presented below may not be entirely 100% accurate, so

I'd urge people to first be patient until we have all the facts. Second,

don't trust any information in this matter unless it comes directly (and I

mean DIRECT in the 1st person and even then ONLY from 1 or 2 key executives)

from D2A, Chelton Flight Systems or your dealer.  Until next week we won't

know much at all, so anything at this point is still conjecture as to the

outcome/result of this.  Posts by individuals not from D2A, CFS, Xbow,

etc...can NOT be counted on as being factual and accurate. Even then, be

carefull that it is info that is coming from the appropriate persons mouth.



Anyway, just wanted to urge everyone to stay calm.  I'm a bit alarmed to see

everything below being circulated because some of it is a bit dubious at

best and not necessarily 100% accurate.



As I said before, I'll try to keep all my customers as updated as I can.



Best Regards,

Stein.



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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:56 am Post subject: Re: Is D2A out of business?

Crossbow has issued a press release in regards to the recent events at D2A and we have extended our upgrade program through June of 2007 in order to ensure that all of the existing customers in the field have a chance to receive an updated NAV425EX.  



As we have stated before and have documented in detail on our website, the NAV425EX initially had several bugs.  These bugs were very difficult to replicate in house, however after some time we did identify the problem and have been offering updated versions free of charge to our customers.   The NAV425EX and its variants continue to be sold to multiple EFIS manufacturers and we do not have any bugs or performance related problems with these units.  We have a large number of these units in the field that are performing very well.  Crossbow was the first company to build an FAA certified MEMS based AHRS and continues to be a leader in the AHRS market.  



If anyone currently has a NAV425EX that they would like to have updated, please contact us directly at 408-965-3300 or via email at techsupport(at)xbow.com.  Please provide the serial number of your unit and a return shipping address.  Crossbow will ensure that we update your unit in a timely manner.  Please also note that we strongly suggest that all customers update their GPS antenna to an external mount GPS antenna as well as noted on our service bulletin.  We have found that the Antcom 2G15A-XS-1 (www.antcom.com)  is a high performance, cost effective solution for most installations.

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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:25 pm Post subject: Re: Is D2A out of business?

There is growing speculation about whether D2A, a once-prominent company in the industry, has gone out of business. Many industry insiders and customers have raised concerns about the company's sudden disappearance from the market, leading to questions about their stability. Some have noted the absence of their presence at recent trade shows, where their distinctive trade show tablecloth used to be a staple, further fueling the uncertainty surrounding their current status.

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