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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:49 pm    Post subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance Reply with quote
Guys-
You folks who have done this work, how important is it to comply with Slick SB1-15A, changing out the K3822 distributor parts for the kit having a Monel wiper?  I thought all of the 4300 magnetos had copper wipers since day one, so why the change?  Monel for the wiper is likely better, but were the internal distributor block terminals upgraded as well?
Should I do this on both of my Slicks next condition inspection?
Thx and stay well.
-N1GV

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:19 am    Post subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance Reply with quote
I did it to my two LASAR mags because they were at the 500-hour inspection. I did not do my spare mags. I have two new version K3008 parts sitting on the shelf in case I need them in the future.


It is my understanding that a batch made between certain dates MAY not be made to the correct workmanship standard.


I did not pull my mags when the SB first came out but did comply when the mag needed service. IIRC, they (K3008) were just over $100 each when I did mine and now are over $200 each.


All I changed were the K3008. The distributor blocks I have looked like new. In other words, I did a I.R.A.N.







Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
3,500+ Flying Hours NC25, USA






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Subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance

Guys-


You folks who have done this work, how important is it to comply with Slick SB1-15A, changing out the K3822 distributor parts for the kit having a Monel wiper? I thought all of the 4300 magnetos had copper wipers since day one, so why the change?  Monel for the wiper is likely better, but were the internal distributor block terminals upgraded as well?


Should I do this on both of my Slicks next condition inspection?


Thx and stay well.
-N1GV

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:03 am    Post subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance Reply with quote
Tim,Surprised you aren’t using LSI.

Dave Leikam

Quote:
On Jan 24, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:

 I'll tell you this: I had a brand new IO-390 with brand new Slick Mags, and within about 350 hours,
I was having major issues that could have been a huge safety problem. The copper wiper had
eroded away from the shaft and even fallen off of the plastic gear.  Watch this quick video
and then you can decide how big of a deal it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V44DrIsD5Hg

I would never trust a copper one again, ever.

More here:

https://www.myrv14.com/N14YT/maintenance/20190216_Mag_Failure/

Hope that helps you make a decision.
Tim


On 1/24/2023 12:48 AM, Gary VanRemortel wrote:

Quote:
Guys-


You folks who have done this work, how important is it to comply with Slick SB1-15A, changing out the K3822 distributor parts for the kit having a Monel wiper? I thought all of the 4300 magnetos had copper wipers since day one, so why the change? Monel for the wiper is likely better, but were the internal distributor block terminals upgraded as well?


Should I do this on both of my Slicks next condition inspection?


Thx and stay well.
-N1GV





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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:09 am    Post subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance Reply with quote
I always preferred reliability of a magneto to an electronic as I have been in Aerospace and Defense Electronics for 50yrs.  If I ever switch, it will likely be to the dual ElectroAir system.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 8:05 AM Dave Leikam <arplnplt(at)gmail.com (arplnplt(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

Quote:
Tim,Surprised you aren’t using LSI.

Dave Leikam

Quote:
On Jan 24, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:

 I'll tell you this:   I had a brand new IO-390 with brand new Slick Mags, and within about 350 hours,
I was having major issues that could have been a huge safety problem.  The copper wiper had
eroded away from the shaft and even fallen off of the plastic gear.  Watch this quick video
and then you can decide how big of a deal it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V44DrIsD5Hg

I would never trust a copper one again, ever.

More here:

https://www.myrv14.com/N14YT/maintenance/20190216_Mag_Failure/

Hope that helps you make a decision.
Tim


On 1/24/2023 12:48 AM, Gary VanRemortel wrote:

Quote:
Guys-


You folks who have done this work, how important is it to comply with Slick SB1-15A, changing out the K3822 distributor parts for the kit having a Monel wiper?  I thought all of the 4300 magnetos had copper wipers since day one, so why the change?  Monel for the wiper is likely better, but were the internal distributor block terminals upgraded as well?


Should I do this on both of my Slicks next condition inspection?


Thx and stay well.
-N1GV







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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:14 am    Post subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance Reply with quote
Thx Gary.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 4:21 AM RV6 Flyer <rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com (rv6_flyer(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

Quote:
I did it to my two LASAR mags because they were at the 500-hour inspection.  I did not do my spare mags.  I have two new version K3008 parts sitting on the shelf in case I need them in the future.


It is my understanding that a batch made between certain dates MAY not be made to the correct workmanship standard.


I did not pull my mags when the SB first came out but did comply when the mag needed service.  IIRC, they (K3008) were just over $100 each when I did mine and now are over $200 each.


All I changed were the K3008.  The distributor blocks I have looked like new.  In other words, I did a I.R.A.N.







Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
3,500+ Flying Hours NC25, USA






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Subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance  

Guys-


You folks who have done this work, how important is it to comply with Slick SB1-15A, changing out the K3822 distributor parts for the kit having a Monel wiper?  I thought all of the 4300 magnetos had copper wipers since day one, so why the change?  Monel for the wiper is likely better, but were the internal distributor block terminals upgraded as well?


Should I do this on both of my Slicks next condition inspection?


Thx and stay well.
-N1GV






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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:21 am    Post subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance Reply with quote
Tim,

The link you provided is a great resource. Thank you for posting.

Tim

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Subject: Re: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance


I'll tell you this: I had a brand new IO-390 with brand new Slick Mags, and within about 350 hours,
I was having major issues that could have been a huge safety problem. The copper wiper had
eroded away from the shaft and even fallen off of the plastic gear. Watch this quick video
and then you can decide how big of a deal it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V44DrIsD5Hg

I would never trust a copper one again, ever.

More here:

https://www.myrv14.com/N14YT/maintenance/20190216_Mag_Failure/

Hope that helps you make a decision.
Tim
On 1/24/2023 12:48 AM, Gary VanRemortel wrote:

Quote:
Guys-

You folks who have done this work, how important is it to comply with Slick SB1-15A, changing out the K3822 distributor parts for the kit having a Monel wiper? I thought all of the 4300 magnetos had copper wipers since day one, so why the change? Monel for the wiper is likely better, but were the internal distributor block terminals upgraded as well?

Should I do this on both of my Slicks next condition inspection?

Thx and stay well.
-N1GV



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Tim Olson



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:22 am    Post subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance Reply with quote
It's an old post.   I used a Lightspeed + Mag on both planes up until a couple years ago.
Now both airplanes are Lightspeed + Surefly.   Part of that is due to all these mag
issues and maintenance.   It's funny because, I always kept the mag because I wanted
that reliability "just in case", since I was running Electronic ignition.  Turns out the
Electronic ignition has been far more trouble free for me.  So, a couple years back,
I reworked my stuff a little to go all-electric.  I added standby alternators, and already
had dual-batteries.  I did, however, add an option so that if I am doing another
Alaska trip, for example, I can bring a 3rd portable battery and add a quick connector
for an emergency.  I have it so that I can 100% completely power off the plane, yet
still have a 3rd battery feed to one of the ignitions.   Unlikely I'll ever need it,
with 2 alternators, but that's how it works.    The more you prepare the less likely
it'll probably happen.  That's why I bought a new snowblower a couple years ago.
I figured once I did that, it wouldn't snow as much. Smile
Tim


On 1/24/2023 10:08 AM, Gary VanRemortel wrote:

Quote:
I always preferred reliability of a magneto to an electronic as I have been in Aerospace and Defense Electronics for 50yrs.  If I ever switch, it will likely be to the dual ElectroAir system.


On Tue, Jan 24, 2023 at 8:05 AM Dave Leikam <arplnplt(at)gmail.com (arplnplt(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

Quote:
Tim, Surprised you aren’t using LSI.

Dave Leikam



Quote:
On Jan 24, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com (Tim(at)myrv10.com)> wrote:

 I'll tell you this:   I had a brand new IO-390 with brand new Slick Mags, and within about 350 hours,
I was having major issues that could have been a huge safety problem.  The copper wiper had
eroded away from the shaft and even fallen off of the plastic gear.  Watch this quick video
and then you can decide how big of a deal it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V44DrIsD5Hg

I would never trust a copper one again, ever.

More here:

https://www.myrv14.com/N14YT/maintenance/20190216_Mag_Failure/

Hope that helps you make a decision.
Tim


On 1/24/2023 12:48 AM, Gary VanRemortel wrote:

Quote:
Guys-


You folks who have done this work, how important is it to comply with Slick SB1-15A, changing out the K3822 distributor parts for the kit having a Monel wiper?  I thought all of the 4300 magnetos had copper wipers since day one, so why the change?  Monel for the wiper is likely better, but were the internal distributor block terminals upgraded as well?


Should I do this on both of my Slicks next condition inspection?


Thx and stay well.
-N1GV








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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:28 am    Post subject: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance Reply with quote
You're welcome.  I would say I did it for everyone else, but the truth is, I write that stuff
up so that I can remember not only what I did, but track down the parts when needed.
It's so hard sometimes to come up with the proper part number info, so once I find it,
I try to take good notes.
Tim


On 1/24/2023 10:20 AM, Timothy E. Cone wrote:

Quote:
Tim,
 
The link you provided is a great resource.  Thank you for posting.
 
Tim
 
From: Tim Olson (Tim(at)MyRV10.com)
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 6:33 AM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com (rv-list(at)matronics.com) ; rv6-list(at)matronics.com (rv6-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Slick Mag SB1-15A compliance


 

I'll tell you this:   I had a brand new IO-390 with brand new Slick Mags, and within about 350 hours,
I was having major issues that could have been a huge safety problem.  The copper wiper had
eroded away from the shaft and even fallen off of the plastic gear.  Watch this quick video
and then you can decide how big of a deal it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V44DrIsD5Hg

I would never trust a copper one again, ever.

More here:

https://www.myrv14.com/N14YT/maintenance/20190216_Mag_Failure/

Hope that helps you make a decision.
Tim


On 1/24/2023 12:48 AM, Gary VanRemortel wrote:

Quote:
Guys-
 
You folks who have done this work, how important is it to comply with Slick SB1-15A, changing out the K3822 distributor parts for the kit having a Monel wiper?  I thought all of the 4300 magnetos had copper wipers since day one, so why the change?  Monel for the wiper is likely better, but were the internal distributor block terminals upgraded as well?
 
Should I do this on both of my Slicks next condition inspection?
 
Thx and stay well.
-N1GV







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