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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:23 pm    Post subject: Fuel Flow Meters Reply with quote


Is anybody in the group using or do you know anybody that uses the NAVMAN
F2100 Fuel Flow Meter? I'm trying to decide whether or not to put one in my
panel. It looks to be nearly identical to the MIZER sold by Spruce, but
less than half the price fo the MIZER. Any and all comments appreciated.
Andy F.
AVID Speedwing
STRATUS EA-81


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 10:19 pm    Post subject: Fuel Flow Meters Reply with quote


Andy, I had a navman fuel flow system in my KF model 1 and it worked fine.
The fuel mizer is a navman with additions to prevent leakage etc. They are
infact a converted navman. Thats the info I recieved when I made similar
enquiries to your own, in fact I rang the Australia distributer to confirm
this info.
Cheers
Graeme Toft


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 10:36 pm    Post subject: Fuel Flow Meters Reply with quote


Graeme,
Did the distributor say exactly what modifications had been made? To
justify the price difference there must have been some really serious mods
done.
Andy F.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 5:14 am    Post subject: Fuel Flow Meters Reply with quote


The most major mod I know of is the addition of the word "aviation" to the
product description. I think you'll find that this "value-added" feature is
directly proportional to the price increase of anything destined to leave
terra-firma.
Don't you know that when shopping for airplane parts, the word "airplane" is
strictly "verboten" in the conversation?
Bradley


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 9:43 am    Post subject: Fuel Flow Meters Reply with quote


Hi Graeme,Shorty and all....
Hope y'all had a great holiday break..... Now....Fuel Flow meters i.e.
NAVMAN et al.
I have had both units so I can answer some of your questions.
The difference between the Navman (marine) and the Mizer (aviation) is how
the transducer is packaged.
The marine unit has no protection around the transducer. The weak point in
the transducer is the plastic barbed fittings
onto which you mount your fuel hoses. In a marine application, I believe
the transducers are simply mounted to a couple of brackets and secured to
any bulkhead.
On the MIZER unit (aviation) the transducer is mounted inside a metal
"bottle" (removeable top). There is a vibration absorbing foam layer around
the transducer. If my memory serves me correctly, there is also a vent
line to pipe any leakage
outside the engine compartment should the transducer spring a leak.
There has already been one aviation accident (very unhappy ending) where the
transducer is suspect in an inflight fire. I have looked carefully at both
transducers and cannot see any difference. It seems the big difference is
in HOW the unit in mounted.
My current project uses a NAVMAN transducer mounted on antivibration mounts
and enclosed inside a containter with a drain to the exterior of the plane.
We will be producing our own LCD screens for read outs so the only part from
NAVMAN we will be using is the transducer). Our screens will have "total
fuel on board/fuel used/time on this leg/total time on tank/consumption rate
and hours and minuted till dry tank". All parameters are user settable and
the unit has a low fuel alarm built in. We have a few beta units in
use...one on our test stand with over a years use and no problems. No idea
at present as to how much this will cost, but hope to have an info packet
vailable in a couple of months.
If you do have any fuel monitoring equipment on board, it is advisable to
place the transducer inside a cannister into which any leakage can be vented
overboard.
Just my two cents worth......
regards
Bob Robertson
Light Engine Services Ltd.
Rotax Service Center
Aero Control Enterprises, Inc.
St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:35 am    Post subject: Fuel Flow Meters Reply with quote


Could the breakage/leak/fire issue be solved by placing the unit in front of
the firewall? You could, for example, "shock" mount it, and build a
stainless box around it with the bottom open. I'm imagining a position on
the firewall, in one of the lower corners, maybe near a gascolator, or at
least where a gascolator would be. Make it easier to inspect on pre-flight.
.02 FWIW,
Bradley


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:52 pm    Post subject: Fuel Flow Meters Reply with quote


Thanks, Bob. That's the kind of info we need to get and it all makes sense.
Will your display be a standard 2" hole mount or something different?
Andy F.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:23 pm    Post subject: Fuel Flow Meters Reply with quote


Bradley,
We will be mounting it on the firewall with some good shock mounts... The
cannister we will be mounting it in has to be high enough off the bottom of
the firewall to allow the fuel hose to flow out the bottom of the cannister
and make a 90 degree turn. We have resigned ourselves to copy, pretty
much, what Mizer is doing with their aviation units. We will be running a
vent line overboard thats for sure.!
regards
Bob Robertson
Light Engine Services Ltd.
Rotax Service Center
Aero Control Enterprises, Inc.
St. Albert, Ab. T8N 1M8
Ph: (Tech Support) 1-780-418-4164
Ph: (Order Line) 1-866-418-4164 (TOLL FREE)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:26 pm    Post subject: Fuel Flow Meters Reply with quote


Andy.... our display will be 3.5" wide by 1.5in high...Will have two lines
of type.
regards
Bob R


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