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harvey.rule(at)sympatico.
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:00 pm Post subject: PERMANENT ADIZ

None of this has any relavance to me as yet but you never know when the 

Canadian government may decide to jump on the band wagon.You are 

absolutely correct in what you say;it is rediculous in every way and it 

is some little politicians way of solving a problem without having 

looked into it in the first place.On 911  the planes used were passenger 

carriers loaded with enough fuel  to carry them to the west coast.They 

did this on purpose so they would have a maximum amount of 

explosives.The average small plane that flies anywhere  can only carry 

enough fuel to blow up ,if they were lucky enough to penetrate a 

window,perhaps one  cubical in any office anywhere in the world.That's 

right ,you heard right ,one cubical.The area of about 10 sqare feet if 

your lucky.Perhaps destroying someones lunch sitting on the side of a 

desk.The most likely thing that would happen is that the plane would hit 

the side of the building and slide down;the case of most ultra lights 

anyway.We are the most feared by the government because they can hardly 

see us on radar.We can do a lot of damage  when destoying somebodies 

lunch!Sound stupid,you bet,as stupid as the rules you just layed out!



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Pilots,



Send this to OTHER PILOTS and YOUR NON-FLYING  FRIENDS. Then go to the AOPA 

site listed below and give the

FAA your input.   

Thanks.

 

Since 9/11, pilots are required to  follow rules that most motorists would 

consider  ludicrous. 

 

The analogy below describes what  it takes to fly into an Air Defense 

Identification  Zone (ADIZ). 

 

An ADIZ presently exists all around Washington  D.C.  The federal Aviation 

Administration wants to make the  Washington ADIZ permanent. 

 

All MAJOR U.S. CITIES COULD BE  NEXT.

Scenario...



Because of the Oklahoma City  truck bombing, a law is passed that everyone 

within 75 miles of any large  city must place a call for every car trip they 

make and give your name, car  make, license plate number, what time you will be 

leaving, specifically where  you are going, and exactly when you expect to  

arrive. 

 

You will be given  a number which you must write on a card and display in the 

window for your  entire drive. You will be given a time you can leave, and 

what roads you  are to follow.



You will need to call a traffic cop on your cell  phone prior to leaving, 

during the trip, and until you reach your  destination. You will be  required to 

stay in constant communication. They will tell you  when you are okay to enter 

that 75 mile radius, and then you will talk to  them for the entire drive, 

including following any new instructions.  



Now... If you take a wrong turn, fail to display the card properly, fail  to 

follow the traffic cop's instructions, lose cell phone coverage, or any  of a 

whole host of other things occur such as mechanical problems, you  can lose 

your drivers license, and possibly be arrested. If your  cell phone signal 

fades, the traffic cop gives confusing or contradictory  instructions, or a little 

dirt or sun glare makes the card hard to read, that is  entirely your problem 

to correct, or deal with the consequences.  



If you  drive a motorcycle and can't figure a way to mount the card or hear 

the cell  phone over the motor and wind noise, that is your problem. 



If you get really lost  and blunder into the wrong neighborhood, they might 

blow up your car with you in  it. Deadly force is not  only likely, but 

recommended.



You will have to do this  everywhere you go, even if you pull into the street 

to let you spouse out of the  driveway. This is for every single-destination 

trip. If you are  running errands, you must treat each leg as a separate trip. 

Good luck  dealing with the authorities if you plan to depart or arrive 

anywhere that  doesn't have a traditional driveway or parking lot. 

 

All skateboards, scooters, sleds, wagons,  bicycles and tricycles are 

prohibited within that 75 miles. 



Sound ludicrous?  Welcome  to a fliers world.  



Small airplanes follow these  restrictions every day in the ADIZ areas even 

though it is widely recognized  that most general aviation aircraft cannot 

carry enough explosives to create  damage even close to the explosion in OKC.



Trucks however, are still allowed to  drive right up to the front of most 

office buildings. Any  terrorist (aka idiot) can rent one, from Ryder.



All pilots are in  favor of national security but there is a right way and a 

wrong way to acquire  it.  

 

Creating a permanent ADIZ is the wrong  way.



Aircraft first, then soon, automobiles.



The FAA has  extended the ADIZ public comment period until February 6, 2006, 

and will hold an  AOPA-requested public meeting on its plan to make the 

Washington, D.C.,  Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) permanent. 



("AOPA" is the  Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association.)



You can  contact the FAA and voice your protest to this permanent ADIZ by 

going  to:



_http://www.aopa.org/adizalert/_ (http://www.aopa.org/adizalert/) 



Thank you for your time, please act  now.

 

Jay Carpenter

President - Texas Aviation  Association 

512-454-5455

_president(at)txaa.org_ (mailto:president(at)txaa.org) 

_www.txaa.org_ (http://www.txaa.org)

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edchmiel(at)mindspring.co
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:48 pm Post subject: PERMANENT ADIZ

Dear sender,



        Why post this on the Engines list??  Send it to AOPA, or some of the 

other 'alphabet' groups.  Better yet, write your congresspeople!



Ed in JXN

Do Not Archive



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jboatri(at)emory.edu
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: PERMANENT ADIZ

Ed,



I assume it was posted on the engines list, and other lists, so that 

citizens would petition their government about an issue that affects 

them.



Jeff



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Dear sender,



         Why post this on the Engines list??  Send it to AOPA, or some of the

other 'alphabet' groups.  Better yet, write your congresspeople!



Ed in JXN

Do Not Archive



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dstroud(at)storm.ca
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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: PERMANENT ADIZ

Harvey..concentrate on the Piet. This is 2006.. 

The snow will melt this year..maybe soon...relax, eh?

David Stroud   Ottawa, Canada

C-FDWS  Christavia 

F-24  C-FDAE in restoration

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harvey.rule(at)sympatico.
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:35 am Post subject: PERMANENT ADIZ

Amen!



[quote]



Harvey..concentrate on the Piet. This is 2006.. 

The snow will melt this year..maybe soon...relax, eh?

David Stroud   Ottawa, Canada

C-FDWS  Christavia 

F-24  C-FDAE in restoration

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TeamGrumman(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:00 pm Post subject: PERMANENT ADIZ

In a message dated 1/14/06 8:36:45 AM, harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca writes:

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		   Because of the Oklahoma City=A0 truck bombing, a law is passed that everyone

 >>>within 75 miles of any large=A0 city must place a call for every car trip

 they

 >>>make and give your name, car=A0 make, license plate number, what time you

 will be

 >>>leaving, specifically where=A0 you are going, and exactly when you expect

 to=A0

 >>>arrive.




	


Wow, can you say police state?

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harvey.rule(at)sympatico.
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Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:37 pm Post subject: PERMANENT ADIZ

What in hells name does a truck bombing have to do with flying?That's 

what I'd like to know?



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In a message dated 1/14/06 8:36:45 AM, harvey.rule(at)sympatico.ca writes:

  



>Because of the Oklahoma City=A0 truck bombing, a law is passed that everyone

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>>>>within 75 miles of any large=A0 city must place a call for every car trip

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>>>>make and give your name, car=A0 make, license plate number, what time you

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>>>>leaving, specifically where=A0 you are going, and exactly when you expect

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Wow, can you say police state?

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Terry Watson

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 290
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject: PERMANENT ADIZ

Well Harvy, if you had been following the PERMANENT ADIZ thread, you would

know that someone made the strong and telling analogy between the permanent

ADIZ and similar treatment of ground vehicle traffic. They demonstrated, I

thought quite well, what would have happened if the Oklahoma City terrorist

bombing had caused the government to react to car and truck traffic like

they have to aircraft traffic after 9/11. The point (as I got it) being that

if the non-flying public new how intrusive and ineffective the permanent

ADIZ is, maybe they wouldn't be trying to make it bigger and create more of

them across the country, the thus severely impact our ability to fly.



That's "what in hells name a truck bombing has to do with flying". A DO NOT

ARCHIVE would have kept this out of the mass of information people will have

to dig through in the future to find what they are looking for.



Terry

 



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