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Bill Schlatterer
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 Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:38 pm Post subject: Finish and Paint questions ?? |
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Follow the links below to Dupont Aviation finishes. Click on "Systems by
Substrate". I have used the Epoxy Pre-Treatment Corlar 13238s on clean but
untreated aluminum followed by Corlar 13550s primer Surfacer and feel very
comfortable that it will never turn loose. On fiberglass, I used the Loehle
pinhole filler first after coating with neat epoxy (west systems) then one
coat of the 13560s Surfacer and never saw a pinhole,... What's that 
http://pc.dupont.com/dpc/en/US/html/visitor/b/avi/s/product/avi_substrate.ht
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Product and technical info on the Aviation products ,...
http://pc.dupont.com/dpc/en/US/html/visitor/b/avi/s/product/avi_tech.html
LOTS of great information on the Dupont site. The aviation finishes are
available through any Dupont Auto Refinish paint distributor. Should be in
the phone book or just call any body shop and ask them where you can get
Dupont paint.
PPG is also good, we sell it all but I like the Dupont system best.
Strongly suggest Evercoat Quantum filler and glazing compound which is also
a pinhole filler as well.
PS, THEY ARE ALL EXPENSIVE,... DON'T EVEN CONSIDER THE DIFFERENCE IN
PRICE,... GET THE SYSTEM THAT WORKS BEST AND THE PRICE WILL COME OUT PRETTY
CLOSE AT THE END OF THE DAY. The "difference" in material costs isn't
really very material in the scheme of things.
Bill S
7a finishing
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AV8ORJWC
Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 1149
Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:09 am Post subject: Finish and Paint questions ?? |
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As Bill closed with price of material, Do your research with the local
Refinish paint distributor (of your choice) on the difference between
main topcoat colors. Randy used GMC White, Tim used PPG Base Mixing
Color white, Dan used BMW Silver and Jim Hergert used Rainbow paint (the
one in the Fast Glass Garmin ads). Your budget and decision process
will be amended based on your early choice.
Remember that topcoat canopy color selection has a big impact on heat
reflection and buildup through the canopy when sitting on the ramp.
John
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msausen
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Location: Appleton, WI USA
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AV8ORJWC
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msausen
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AV8ORJWC
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AV8ORJWC
Joined: 13 Jul 2006
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Location: Aurora, Oregon "Home of VANS"
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 7:07 am Post subject: Finish and Paint questions ?? |
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Michael, your point is a good one on local supply houses. S&W here near Aurora sells both Jet Glow and House of Color to the DIY. They offer classes which can empower many DIY guys to lay a great coat. They share techniques, shortcuts and gotchas. They even have classes on flame and other airbrush techniques.
Don't under-estimate the value of a quality gun with an adequate flow rate. Our EAA chapter even has the correct breathing euipment available.
John Cox
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 6:47 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Finish and Paint questions ??
Cheap it is not but it does have a reputation for being user friendly in addition to outstanding final results. I’m going to shoot it myself so the labor savings is being reapplied to the system and tools to apply. Fingers crossed when I get to that point that I don’t screw it up. The local supply house I’m getting stuff from carries it and they are also the supplier to many of the dealerships. They have been very helpful and I can’t stress enough that anyone seeking to do their own paint should seek sage advice from their supplier. I’m lucky that there are several very good supply houses in the area thanks to the winter auto body adjustment season.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:07 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Finish and Paint questions ??
Your 401K is stronger than mine. It IS gorgeous paint as is JetGlow (S&W). My painter prefers PPG Concept and my background is about 60% Imron. Even the Saudi Prince might have trouble today with some colors. Short of resorting to Stewart's I am wondering if anyone has bested Tim's Base White per gallon? I can do some great pricing on Landing Gear Grey epoxy.
John Cox
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Sat 2/28/2009 1:32 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Finish and Paint questions ??
--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
I have a House of Kolor combination in mind. 
Michael
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bkbrown(at)minetfiber.com
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Good points John. EAA 292 in Independence also has a Hobbyair breathing system with extra hoses and Graco Turbine available for members. We just don’t have a place to paint… Besides Jet Glow and PPG, many of us here have used Glasurit products. Expensive, but fantastic finishes. We’ve been purchasing them from Industrial Finishes, who has stores all over the Northwest.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 7:07 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Finish and Paint questions ??
Michael, your point is a good one on local supply houses. S&W here near Aurora sells both Jet Glow and House of Color to the DIY. They offer classes which can empower many DIY guys to lay a great coat. They share techniques, shortcuts and gotchas. They even have classes on flame and other airbrush techniques.
Don't under-estimate the value of a quality gun with an adequate flow rate. Our EAA chapter even has the correct breathing euipment available.
John Cox
From: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Sun 3/1/2009 6:47 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Finish and Paint questions ??
Cheap it is not but it does have a reputation for being user friendly in addition to outstanding final results. I’m going to shoot it myself so the labor savings is being reapplied to the system and tools to apply. Fingers crossed when I get to that point that I don’t screw it up. The local supply house I’m getting stuff from carries it and they are also the supplier to many of the dealerships. They have been very helpful and I can’t stress enough that anyone seeking to do their own paint should seek sage advice from their supplier. I’m lucky that there are several very good supply houses in the area thanks to the winter auto body adjustment season.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:07 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Finish and Paint questions ??
Your 401K is stronger than mine. It IS gorgeous paint as is JetGlow (S&W). My painter prefers PPG Concept and my background is about 60% Imron. Even the Saudi Prince might have trouble today with some colors. Short of resorting to Stewart's I am wondering if anyone has bested Tim's Base White per gallon? I can do some great pricing on Landing Gear Grey epoxy.
John Cox
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Sat 2/28/2009 1:32 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Finish and Paint questions ??
--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
I have a House of Kolor combination in mind.
Michael
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AV8ORJWC
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Industrial Finishes is my point of purchase as well dating back to 1968. For decades I was a Dupont guy. They sell lots of volume of PPG with tremendous results from the field. I side with Michael that the House of Kolor is amazing as is Randolph's Spectrum line. Glasurit is my choice on German autos. Many big iron shops swear by JetGlow. Don't forget Scott's beautiful product. The big thing is don't mix competitive chemistry or the wrong primer with your final topcoat. Know where you are going chemistry wise.
Sounds like what we all need is a clandestine or a approved shop on an airfield where the hobbyist can expand their skills under tutelage. Deems went with a national race car painter that was across from the Phoenix Raceway.
My favorite painter said "never again" to allow another craftsman to adulterate his effort after trying to please a discriminate customer. That means I might be looking elsewhere as well. Lighting, ventilation and quality airline control impact the finish topcoat paint. Dust, hair, runs and environmental factors work against many hobbyists. It is not a point to wander from. Michael should be commended for reminding us of the tremendous dollar savings by DIY just like from Randy and Tim (years ago).
All of you should be looking to a Hobbyair source as you continue the journey.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob and Karen Brown
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:13 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Finish and Paint questions ??
Good points John. EAA 292 in Independence also has a Hobbyair breathing system with extra hoses and Graco Turbine available for members. We just don’t have a place to paint… Besides Jet Glow and PPG, many of us here have used Glasurit products. Expensive, but fantastic finishes. We’ve been purchasing them from Industrial Finishes, who has stores all over the Northwest.
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msausen
Joined: 25 Oct 2007
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Location: Appleton, WI USA
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| Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:54 am Post subject: Finish and Paint questions ?? |
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Speaking of breathing systems, another one that I have read good things about is the PureAir system. It has the advantage of single airline to supply breathing and the spray gun. The only real caveat with this is that you need to know where your compressor air supply is coming from. My compressor is located in a storage closet in the back of my bathroom with a CO detector nearby so I am comfortable that my air is not contaminated. Same rules apply to where you place the turbine in a HobbyAir system. If you go with something like the PureAir and are not comfortable with your air quality, it is very easy to extend your compressor inlet outside the building by removing the filter and piping it outdoors.
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=17667&itemType=PRODUCT
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 2:06 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Finish and Paint questions ??
Industrial Finishes is my point of purchase as well dating back to 1968. For decades I was a Dupont guy. They sell lots of volume of PPG with tremendous results from the field. I side with Michael that the House of Kolor is amazing as is Randolph's Spectrum line. Glasurit is my choice on German autos. Many big iron shops swear by JetGlow. Don't forget Scott's beautiful product. The big thing is don't mix competitive chemistry or the wrong primer with your final topcoat. Know where you are going chemistry wise.
Sounds like what we all need is a clandestine or a approved shop on an airfield where the hobbyist can expand their skills under tutelage. Deems went with a national race car painter that was across from the Phoenix Raceway.
My favorite painter said "never again" to allow another craftsman to adulterate his effort after trying to please a discriminate customer. That means I might be looking elsewhere as well. Lighting, ventilation and quality airline control impact the finish topcoat paint. Dust, hair, runs and environmental factors work against many hobbyists. It is not a point to wander from. Michael should be commended for reminding us of the tremendous dollar savings by DIY just like from Randy and Tim (years ago).
All of you should be looking to a Hobbyair source as you continue the journey.
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob and Karen Brown
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:13 AM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: RE: Finish and Paint questions ??
Good points John. EAA 292 in Independence also has a Hobbyair breathing system with extra hoses and Graco Turbine available for members. We just don’t have a place to paint… Besides Jet Glow and PPG, many of us here have used Glasurit products. Expensive, but fantastic finishes. We’ve been purchasing them from Industrial Finishes, who has stores all over the Northwest. [quote] [b]
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