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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:34 am Post subject: tail stall

Hi All



I know we don't often fly in icing conditiona but this is an excellent 

piece of research. Some of us (not me  ) fly large aircraft too. I 

think it's well worth the few minutes to watch this NASA video. Learn 

something every day.!



Graham

      Posted by: "FlyingTiger" tiger(at)telis.net

      <mailto:tiger(at)telis.net?Subject=%20Re%3AWhat%20Caused%20CO3407%20Crash%2E%2Ehmmm>

        flyingtiger05 <http://profiles.yahoo.com/flyingtiger05>

        Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:35 am (PST)



The video I have added as a link is a lesson for everyone. This is 

fairly new information about stalls. I fly a variety of aircraft when 

they become available and believe me this is an eye opener.



You think you know about stalls? Practiced them till they made you 

boring? In Cessna, Piper, Grumman, whatever? Have you given any thought 

about what might have caused the crash Of CO3407 recently near Buffalo 

NY? The airplane was a DH8-Q400. Google that airplane and crashes...you 

might be surprised.



Beyond that have a look at this video by FAA/NASA about icing that we 

all should share:



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid 238323060735779946 

<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid 238323060735779946>



It would seem we need to give much more thought to the procedures that 

have been embedded into us all through our training as pilots.



Tim

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willie.harrison(at)tinyon
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:03 am Post subject: tail stall

So much food for thought (especially in the light of the report that  

the Buffalo aircraft was on autopilot).



How much ice has anyone seen on a Europa in flight?



Also, in the spirit of "I learned about flying from that", let me add  

a comment about a lesson learned many years ago when I was flying a  

PA28 in marginal icing conditions. I was watching the leading edges  

very carefully and they were slightly frosty but not getting any  

worse so I thought I was OK. Suddenly there was a bit of a thump and  

the aircraft started vibrating very severely. It was an iced up prop  

which had shed ice from one side only and the only option was to  

reduce power to idle and glide down hoping the other side would melt  

before reaching zero feet - it did so, perhaps helped by my red face  

radiating heat forwards. Another beer I owe to my guardian angel.



Willie

On 17 Feb 2009, at 14:31, Graham Singleton wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com>



 Hi All



 I know we don't often fly in icing conditiona but this is an  

 excellent piece of research. Some of us (not me  ) fly large  

 aircraft too. I think it's well worth the few minutes to watch this  

 NASA video. Learn something every day.!



 Graham

      Posted by: "FlyingTiger" tiger(at)telis.net

      <mailto:tiger(at)telis.net?Subject=%20Re%3AWhat%20Caused%20CO3407% 

 20Crash%2E%2Ehmmm>

        flyingtiger05 <http://profiles.yahoo.com/flyingtiger05>

        Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:35 am (PST)



 The video I have added as a link is a lesson for everyone. This is  

 fairly new information about stalls. I fly a variety of aircraft  

 when they become available and believe me this is an eye opener.



 You think you know about stalls? Practiced them till they made you  

 boring? In Cessna, Piper, Grumman, whatever? Have you given any  

 thought about what might have caused the crash Of CO3407 recently  

 near Buffalo NY? The airplane was a DH8-Q400. Google that airplane  

 and crashes...you might be surprised.



 Beyond that have a look at this video by FAA/NASA about icing that  

 we all should share:



 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid 238323060735779946 <http:// 

 video.google.com/videoplay?docid 238323060735779946>



 It would seem we need to give much more thought to the procedures  

 that have been embedded into us all through our training as pilots.



 Tim

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